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Óscar Cardozo, Libertad

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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 20, 17:20

RB7 wrote:
Well I believe his TS, response and jump arent that bad and neither his shot power, FK and curling are that good.. unsure about is header.. so basically I just agree with Defence, the rest is really close to the stats..
But they are nice suggestions still ;)


You don't think his shot power deserves an orange value?

About his heading. His header is very decent, i think 79-80. The problem is his jumping... How can someone so tall jump so little? :( How about swiching header and Jump around?
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2008 Dec 20, 19:58

Peter80000 wrote:
RB7 wrote:
Well I believe his TS, response and jump arent that bad and neither his shot power, FK and curling are that good.. unsure about is header.. so basically I just agree with Defence, the rest is really close to the stats..
But they are nice suggestions still ;)


You don't think his shot power deserves an orange value?

About his heading. His header is very decent, i think 79-80. The problem is his jumping... How can someone so tall jump so little? :( How about swiching header and Jump around?


Actually I think it's the other way around mate.
Some guys wanted to get his jump even higher I consider him a good jumper but an ok header.. I mean when did you see him head the ball in GOOD header? They are just decent or bad :lol:
About the Shot Power.. It was 87 before and I really think he isn't on pair with Hulk at the moment even because he's not even shooting that hard anymore (he's not a starter now, gets less playing time too) but maybe..
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby CowSimao » 2008 Dec 21, 01:44

I think both his short and long passing could go up a little. The speed can stay slow for short pass, but I think his short pass acc is better than Suazo for example. And I've seen him make long passes before, so high 60s should be fair.

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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Amukina » 2009 Jan 14, 18:45

Free kick is overrated imo

he isn't best than Luis Aguiar ;)
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2009 Jan 14, 19:06

Amukina wrote:Free kick is overrated imo

he isn't best than Luis Aguiar ;)


I agree but maybe Aguiar should be 82 as well.. :)
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Prata » 2009 Jan 22, 20:14

His defence should be 50, he scores already some goals recovering boals from defenders. :D He is a really help when is defending in corners, etc., he cuts well the long passes
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2009 Jan 22, 20:24

TDM_21 wrote:His defence should be 50, he scores already some goals recovering boals from defenders. :D He is a really help when is defending in corners, etc., he cuts well the long passes


True but he doesn't really track back to help.
He does some good tackles at times though :lol:
Maybe 45?
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2009 Jan 22, 20:47

I think his move back is already assured with the *Post Player but with 45 or something like that he will just tackle a bit better.. 48 is too close to Liédson and other guys who are really helping the midfield.. even Nuno Gomes could deserve a 48 more than Cardozo IMO
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Prata » 2009 Jan 22, 20:48

RB7 wrote:I think his move back is already assured with the *Post Player but with 45 or something like that he will just tackle a bit better.. 48 is too close to Liédson and other guys who are really helping the midfield.. even Nuno Gomes could deserve a 48 more than Cardozo IMO


Cardozo defends better than nuno gomes, I already comprove it
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2009 Jan 22, 21:00

Yeah, you're right but Nuno Gomes does track back and is more determined than Cardozo.. that's why Nuno Gomes is at 43 and that's why Cardozo shouldn't be 5 points higher there.
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Prata » 2009 Jan 22, 21:15

RB7 wrote:Yeah, you're right but Nuno Gomes does track back and is more determined than Cardozo.. that's why Nuno Gomes is at 43 and that's why Cardozo shouldn't be 5 points higher there.


But defence has nothing to do with going back, that´s mentality. He really really should have at least 48
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2009 Jan 22, 21:19

TDM_21 wrote:
RB7 wrote:Yeah, you're right but Nuno Gomes does track back and is more determined than Cardozo.. that's why Nuno Gomes is at 43 and that's why Cardozo shouldn't be 5 points higher there.


But defence has nothing to do with going back, that´s mentality. He really really should have at least 48


You're wrong there. Look at Tevez. He has huge mentality and still has 50 for defence to make him track back more often ;)
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2009 Jan 22, 22:05

TDM_21 wrote:But he has mentality 72, even with 80 defense he wouldn´t go back.


Look mate, that's not true. Derlei has 48 and is a bad tackler. But he tracks back way more often than Cardozo. Derlei has high mentality because he never gives up from any ball but of course also because he tracks back.. but even if he didn't he would have a high mentality just not a high defence. And Cardozo is a better tackler than Derlei but Derlei tracks back much more often than Cardozo.. so 45 tops for Cardozo in my opinion..
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Peter80000 » 2009 Feb 05, 01:37

So, you guys don't agree that he's the hardest kicker of the Liga Sagres? I'd give him 91 or 92 shot power, easy...
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby RB7 » 2009 Feb 05, 12:03

Peter80000 wrote:So, you guys don't agree that he's the hardest kicker of the Liga Sagres? I'd give him 91 or 92 shot power, easy...


Honestly.. his current shot power is a big value already and I really don't think his shots are harder than Ronny's, Rochemback's or even Jorge Ribeiro's..
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Prata » 2009 Feb 05, 15:44

His shot is stronger than makukula´s shot, so it could be 91 IMO
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Peter80000 » 2009 Feb 05, 17:11

RB7 wrote:
Peter80000 wrote:So, you guys don't agree that he's the hardest kicker of the Liga Sagres? I'd give him 91 or 92 shot power, easy...


Honestly.. his current shot power is a big value already and I really don't think his shots are harder than Ronny's, Rochemback's or even Jorge Ribeiro's..


We have to agree to disagree then :)
And also, those three players need a decent run before they can shoot a canon ball. Cardozo usually does it with a slight run or barely moving at all... It's actually the only thing he's very good at, and his shot power is world class IMO. Stronger than Jorge Ribeiro and consistently stronger than Ronny's and Rochembachs. Just my opinion.
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby 3m1n3m » 2009 Feb 05, 18:12

Peter80000 wrote:
RB7 wrote:
Peter80000 wrote:So, you guys don't agree that he's the hardest kicker of the Liga Sagres? I'd give him 91 or 92 shot power, easy...


Honestly.. his current shot power is a big value already and I really don't think his shots are harder than Ronny's, Rochemback's or even Jorge Ribeiro's..


We have to agree to disagree then :)
And also, those three players need a decent run before they can shoot a canon ball. Cardozo usually does it with a slight run or barely moving at all... It's actually the only thing he's very good at, and his shot power is world class IMO. Stronger than Jorge Ribeiro and consistently stronger than Ronny's and Rochembachs. Just my opinion.


Totally agree on that! 91 or 92 seems a pretty fair number for SP.
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Re: Óscar CARDOZO

Postby Prata » 2009 Feb 05, 18:14

Well I agree too with 91 92 so this counts 3 agrees.
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