Zvonimir Boban | 1996-1999

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Zvonimir Boban | 1996-1999

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Zvonimir Boban was a Croatian former football midfielder who played most of his professional career for Serie A club A.C. Milan and was a member of the Croatia national team, which he captained to third place at the 1998 FIFA World Cup. He was a playmaker well known for his passing range and vision. Croatia never lost a match when he scored.

Boban started his career with Dinamo Zagreb. In the now-infamous game against Red Star Belgrade in May 1990, he attacked a policeman who was beating a Dinamo supporter when a riot broke out between the fans. This incident made Boban a national hero in Croatia.

AC Milan signed him in 1991, immediately loaning him to A.S. Bari, as they felt he needed time to settle in Italy without counting as one of the 3 non-Italian players the club was limited to at the time. After one season, he was brought back to the Milan squad. He stayed in the club for 9 seasons, and enjoyed great successes with them. He helped the team win the 1994 Champions League title and become runners-up in 1995. He won 4 Serie A titles with Milan as well. In August 2001, with his role at Milan diminished, he was loaned to Celta de Vigo, where he played in only four matches. Unhappy with his role as a substitute he retired in October 2001 and finished his last season earlier then he intended.

Boban was a member of the team that finished third at the 1998 World Cup, and was captain of the squad at that tournament, as he had been at the 1996 European Football Championship. A mistake he made in the semi-final allowed France to equalize immediately after Croatia had fought hard to earn a one-goal lead. As a result, Croatia was unable to maintain their advantage for any significant amount of time. To make matters worse, Boban was injured and wanted to come off at half time but stayed on. France eventually won the match 2-1 and eventually won the tournament. Croatia then defeated the Netherlands to win the third place and the bronze medal.



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http://www.reprezentacija.rs/cgi-bin/in ... n_Zvonimir

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Re: Zvonimir BOBAN | 1993/1994

Postby as_10 » 2008 Dec 23, 23:04

default again, please delete
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Re: Zvonimir BOBAN | 1993/1994

Postby Brezza » 2008 Dec 23, 23:17

Again ive just given him a few tweaks. Konami didn't do such a bad job for Boban actually :shock:

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Re: Zvonimir BOBAN | 1993-1994

Postby kuer86 » 2013 May 14, 17:09

higher attack, less ds, less response?
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Re: Zvonimir Boban | 1996-1999

Postby Adrien » 2014 Jan 04, 21:35

I give him an update and add him to the database.

I start with Konami as a base and just change little tweaks. Konami always add him to their series so their set is almost perfect.

There is just one vs video for him wich help:

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Re: Zvonimir Boban | 1996-1999

Postby Yazid » 2017 Jul 08, 03:27

I'm a huge fan of zvonomir boban, I just have one question. For Milan, he never scored more than 6 goals in a league season. Are these shooting stats not really high? I haven't gone back and reviewed enough footage to be sure, I was just thinking today of looking at the comparative sets of Boban and Modric and just immediately Boban's shooting stats jumped out to me as being very very high for a man who didn't seem to be a huge goal threat.
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Re: Zvonimir Boban | 1996-1999

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jul 08, 07:16

Goal scoring record shouldn't be always criteria for ratings players accuracy during shots.. In all those stats for the each player you have number of goals from free kicks, headers, penalites.. Boban had very refined shot, always well placed with good power on it. He was by far over Modric in any kind of shots. I think Albo has very well described problem like this in Beckenbauer thread.

What, what does being a top striker have to do with rating SA? Beckenbauer would constanly score beauties, with great accuracy. Pedro for example during his prime years in 2011-2013 barely scored more than 10 goals a season and was given 87 SA, while being in much more attacking role than Beckenbauer. Why? Because when given the opportunity he'd score with great accuracy. Toni Kroos never scored more than 10 goals in a season, and he sits on 84 SA? Why? Coz when given the opportunity to shoot, he's clinical. And yet he's way more attack minded than Beckenbauer. And there's lots of other examples like those. Beckenbauer would constantly score beauties, he was a very good shooter, it's one of his characteristic traits. Why should I lower him just coz he didn't score more than 10 goals a season? What if he shot 12 times a season and scored 8 times? How does that logic stand? The maximum I'd opt to do is swap SA with ST, but nothing more, really.


Good example of his precision is here

https://youtu.be/kGFLcTMdvnQ?t=117
https://youtu.be/kGFLcTMdvnQ?t=280
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Re: Zvonimir Boban | 1996-1999

Postby Yazid » 2017 Jul 15, 01:53

Moysís wrote:Goal scoring record shouldn't be always criteria for ratings players accuracy during shots.. In all those stats for the each player you have number of goals from free kicks, headers, penalites.. Boban had very refined shot, always well placed with good power on it. He was by far over Modric in any kind of shots. I think Albo has very well described problem like this in Beckenbauer thread.

What, what does being a top striker have to do with rating SA? Beckenbauer would constanly score beauties, with great accuracy. Pedro for example during his prime years in 2011-2013 barely scored more than 10 goals a season and was given 87 SA, while being in much more attacking role than Beckenbauer. Why? Because when given the opportunity he'd score with great accuracy. Toni Kroos never scored more than 10 goals in a season, and he sits on 84 SA? Why? Coz when given the opportunity to shoot, he's clinical. And yet he's way more attack minded than Beckenbauer. And there's lots of other examples like those. Beckenbauer would constantly score beauties, he was a very good shooter, it's one of his characteristic traits. Why should I lower him just coz he didn't score more than 10 goals a season? What if he shot 12 times a season and scored 8 times? How does that logic stand? The maximum I'd opt to do is swap SA with ST, but nothing more, really.


Good example of his precision is here

https://youtu.be/kGFLcTMdvnQ?t=117
https://youtu.be/kGFLcTMdvnQ?t=280


To have a complete disregard for any goal scoring metric is quite frankly ridiculous. Its easy to establish that Boban is capable of 83 SA on occasion, I'm merely questioning whether he needs such a high value and whether the combination of that coupled with tremendous shot power will make his shooting too dangerous in game compared to his effectiveness with it in real life when he was playing.

Just looking as a cross reference, 24 goal Jamie Vardy in the most competitive league in world football in 2015 has less SA than Boban, and Boban was rarely a goal threat even in his prime. I appreciate that there are many factors to a great goalscorer and its not all about SA by any means. I've being contributing on PSD for long enough to have a strong understanding of how different attributes affect things in game, but can you honestly turn round to me and say that Boban is worthy of more SA than Vardy?

And for the record, 2009-2011 Pedro scored over 20 goals in all competitions and was a very effective finisher on the highest stage of all in the champions league. On top of that, he spent a large number of minutes on the bench due to the wealth of attacking options Barcelona had at that time. He is by no means a good example to bring up.

As for Beckenbauer, he's a sweeper. He operates from such a deep position that his opportunity to score many goals is more limited and his exceptional SA + SP combination is great to highlight his danger as a distance shooter.

Kroos operates in an AM role, but he sits on 75 attack which means even with the extremely dangerous shooting capability he has, he will be fairly conservative with it.

To contrast against that, Boban sits on 83 attack, 83 SA, 88 SP with outstanding physical attributes that will allow him to shine above many midfielders and become a dangerous threat late in game too.
In reality looking at his effectiveness, he scored 8 goals in Serie A in the 4 year period we have covered in this set. I'm not saying the attributes are completely wrong, I'm just highlighting the fact that I played against him in my career mode recently and he was extremely good and has coverage across the board in this set that makes him a borderline all time great playmaker.
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Re: Zvonimir Boban | 1996-1999

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jul 15, 07:24

Here it's the matter of precision during shots, not only how many goals the each player has scored.. In 15/16 Vardy has scored 26 goals in all competitions and for just 4 goals I can say it were from his good precision and well placed balls.. He scored 5 penalites, some headers, and most of goals from good positioning in the penalty box and fast reactions, where we can reflect that goals with higher RES and AGG.. so following your logic he doesn't need higher SA since he has pretty high ATT value, orange RES and almost highest possible value for AGG.. and all his goals are product of these three attributes..

This is clear SA from my view of Vardy goals..

https://youtu.be/wGzExJOrhfQ?t=79
https://youtu.be/wGzExJOrhfQ?t=90
https://youtu.be/wGzExJOrhfQ?t=212
https://youtu.be/wGzExJOrhfQ?t=411

In Boban case, he always tried on what more precise way score the goal, he had strong shot but he did not rely only on power, he possessed combination of great accuracy with decent power on his shots. Also we can see If we want to watch full matches that Boban in some other cases when he didn't scored always aimed on goal before shot. His shots were always with "head", always well placed, he has knew what he want when tried to beat keeper, he hasn't been kind of player who just smash the ball and then watch what will be from it.. IMO he could have even higher value from 83...

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