Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000 | 2003-2006


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Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000 | 2003-2006

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 14, 01:03

Club: River Plate - AS Monaco


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Club: River Plate (2003-2006)

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Re: Marcelo GALLARDO | 1999-2000

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Feb 14, 17:13

Updated to fit new format. I couldn't find his videos from Monaco, so I've added videos from River Plate.

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Changed his condition from 4 to 5 due to the number of games played in 1999-2000 season.

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Does he need P09: Early Cross (or maybe more S dribbling cards)?

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Also there are a few different sources about his height and weight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Gallardo (169 cm and 70 kg)

http://www.worldfootball.net/spieler_pr ... -gallardo/ (169 cm and 68 kg)

http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football ... 50.en.html (165 cm and 68 kg)

http://www.zerozerofootball.com/player/ ... fault/5889 (169 cm and 67 kg)

Anybody knows reliable source for his height?
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Re: Marcelo GALLARDO | 1999-2000

Postby julgui » 2010 Feb 14, 17:16

Sug:

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Classic Nº10
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Re: Marcelo GALLARDO | 1999-2000

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Feb 14, 17:18

Have you watched him during his Monaco days or this is suggestion based on his River Plate days?

Also do you understand what P03: Classic No.10 represents?

P03 – Classic No.10 (AM) (Offensive)
An old-style static playmaker who makes use of deft touches and passes rather than pace or movement.
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Re: Marcelo GALLARDO | 1999-2000

Postby julgui » 2010 Feb 14, 17:39

He was fortunate to see the whole career of Marcelo Gallardo and if there is one thing that always characterized "The Doll" were by playmaker who makes use of deft touches and passes rather than pace or movement.
Be faster or slower does not change his game.

Sorry about my English. And it's only a suggestion.

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Re: Marcelo GALLARDO | 1999-2000

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Feb 14, 23:44

I think you don't understand my point. Maybe he slightly changed his style if we compare his Monaco days with his River days?

If he has not changed his playing style, then I will give him P03: Classic No.10. Would you say that he doesn't need P20: Talisman if he has P03: Classic No.10? Although a player can have both cards, it's more usual to have just one of them (since both of these Cards are similar to *Playmaking).

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On a different subject, I was looking at his current stats:

club-atletico-river-plate/marcelo-gallardo-t3216.html

If these stats are correct, then I have a few observations to make.

1. Current Gallardo has Technique: 88 and this (Monaco) version has Technique: 93. I don't think that kind of a gap is possible... You can't lose 5 points in Technique over the years (possibly 1-2, maybe 3 points). Any thoughts about which value he should have here? Maybe 90-91?

2. His Top Speed here is 76. Current version has 78. I don't think it can be possible for him to be slower in his younger days. Maybe increasing his TS to 78-80 in this set of stats?

3. Current Gallardo has SP: 84 and this version has SP: 79... Again, too big gap in my opinion. Maybe raising this version's SP to 80-81?

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I will repeat my question. Does he need P09: Early Cross (or maybe more S dribbling cards)?

P09 – Early Cross (SB; WB; CM; AM; SM; WF) (Offensive)
A player with great vision who won’t miss the chance to hit an early cross.


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P.S. His Height and Weight in his current stats are 165 cm and 68 kg. I wonder what source have they used...
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Re: Marcelo GALLARDO | 1999-2000

Postby Vickingo » 2016 Nov 23, 11:52

aimar16 wrote:Hoping for someone to update this :|


Well, added to the DB. Konami in PES 5 made a great job with Gallardo tbh: http://www.pesmaster.com/gallardo/pes-5/player/4676/, took as a base but still there are some dubious numbers that I didn't touch at all...past set in here was strange in some numbers as well. Probably set need more changes but I'm not quite sure...been reviewing vids from him and man that years he was such a great playmaker. I guess we should create a River set when he was younger and won it all before going to France, also he was sub in Passarella's 1998 WC team, playing mostly second halfs of matches.

About the sets: I'm not quite sure if he was this fast on the ball...he wasn't a fast player off the ball but I don't think he can sit 88 at ds...also probably he was a better shoter, specially fka...still i think current set makes him more representative of this era.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Moysís » 2016 Nov 23, 15:52

Good set here mate, but I think his ACC could be at least on 85, he had nice burst on short distances, while his DS I'd say 85/86 max.. also he didn't leave impression as quite weak player like it is here presented, it's more about close to green value tbh..
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Mar 31, 16:23

Moysís wrote:Good set here mate, but I think his ACC could be at least on 85, he had nice burst on short distances, while his DS I'd say 85/86 max.. also he didn't leave impression as quite weak player like it is here presented, it's more about close to green value tbh..




Lucas uploaded this really nice video in a 1999 derby, here I can confirm he was really really weak, current value is right and he was agile as fuck...take a look how many times he avoids marking with a insanely quick movement. Also ts/acc/ds are well rated in current set imo...he was Iniesta's style in terms of speed. Probably his sps could be even worse btw. Such a classy player.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Link man » 2018 Aug 13, 19:49

I've been watching Gallardo's second stage matches at River, if someone could create it, I can gladly help and suggest some numbers _tick
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Vickingo » 2018 Aug 13, 20:37

Link man wrote:I've been watching Gallardo's second stage matches at River, if someone could create it, I can gladly help and suggest some numbers _tick


Well, I've been semi-working on him throught the years, first in his 1996 version and then in 2003-2006 when he came back to River. I have an idea of both sets but frankly I was too lazy to make them. I watched quite a good amount of both eras but nowadays I'm more inclined to have a real idea of his last spell since in the last month I was re-watching 3 or 4 vs vids and I was absolutely impressed about him...he was too damn good overall, crazy passer and he gained a lot of muscle mass, he was quite good at body battles, the opposite of his first era. I'd like to re-watch all the footage again and then I'll post a set...but obviously if you have some gifs and explanations attached to a tentative set, would be great.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Link man » 2018 Aug 13, 23:15

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Kin5tyxdA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MyqxyqU5Exc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LV9Rs_kBJ-8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_dJfQqe3A

those are some summaries of its second stage, I saw the campaign of the River champion of the "closing" 2004, some games of "Copa Libertadores" and the truth is that I was surprised, I find that next to 97, is its best stage, I noticed when he was not in court, I give example the semifinals against Boca where he spent that bad memory of the scratch, but hey, extraordinary player.

Well, going back to the stats, as you say, he was a much heavier player, he bore the marks very well, sometimes he would let himself fall, but it was part of his game. I do not know about you, but I find that the passes are better at their first stage, only that it was a lot wrong, which affects, in part, the numbers.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Link man » 2018 Aug 13, 23:28

I forgot the speeds, TS if or if it should go in white, almost did not run without the ball, only when there was a clear chance of goal, while the AGI and the DS, I think it would leave 86 and 85 respectively. The DA and the TEC did not touch them, it still had those spectacular touches.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Vickingo » 2018 Aug 14, 00:54

I found it, this pass is absolute genius, curling, speed, otside foot, tempo and vision...imho is a 99 kind of pass, just crazy assist to Farías.
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Link man wrote:I forgot the speeds, TS if or if it should go in white, almost did not run without the ball, only when there was a clear chance of goal, while the AGI and the DS, I think it would leave 86 and 85 respectively. The DA and the TEC did not touch them, it still had those spectacular touches.


Are you talking about first (1996-1998) or third era (2003-2006)? Are you really sure he was a 85 in DS in 2003? He became more a classic no.10 even more than before, he barely ran with the ball. Yeah he kept some speed here and there but he was really slow...dunno about agility neither.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Link man » 2018 Aug 14, 02:02

I put these stats since I based on the set above, but if so, you would have to lower the speed in the set of Monaco, the 2003-2006 the DS could be 79/80, the AGI I leave it to you criterion
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Link man » 2018 Aug 15, 03:59

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FKVpYOKTKRk

I found another very good match of Gallardo in his second stage in River, this Boca va River is the clausura 2004.

another game that Gallardo shows his great facet of opina guard and playmaker is against "atletico rafaela" in the same "clausura" 2004.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8AvDOhRhINM

Here it is, unfortunately, I only have the summary of the game and not the complete actions of the player and also that I do not know how to make gifs :roll:

Sorry for the quality, but that's what I found
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby Link man » 2018 Sep 11, 01:11

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Marcelo Gallardo | 2003-2006
Club: River Plate

Shirt Name: GALLARDO
Number: 10
Positions: ★ AM
Nationality: Argentinian
Age: 26

Height: 169 cm
Weight: 70 kg

Injury Tolerance: B
Foot: R
Side: B

Attack: 80
Defence: 38
Balance: 74
Stamina: 76
Top Speed: 74
Acceleration: 80
Response: 72
Agility: 85
Dribble Accuracy: 92
Dribble Speed: 81
Short Pass Accuracy: 91
Short Pass Speed: 82
Long Pass Accuracy: 88
Long Pass Speed: 83
Shot Accuracy: 78
Shot Power: 76
Shot Technique: 80
Free Kick Accuracy: 82
Curling: 87
Header: 70
Jump: 74
Technique: 93
Aggression: 74
Mentality: 70
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 83

Condition/Fitness: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Tactical Dribble
★ Playmaking
★ Passing
★ Penalties


This is the set that I made myself, if you have suggestions, better. I can not publish, so if you want, you can publish it.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000 | 2003-2006

Postby Vickingo » 2018 Sep 16, 13:32

Added second River era.

Tried to be more extreme in some numbers to replicate how technically good he was in these years, how much consistent at it and the way he changed as a player. He's been always a playmaker, but in this second era he was a Classic no. 10, those who are extinct nowadays. I was more impressed about his long passing than his short, eventhough he was excellent in both, he was a real meance at set pieces crossing or shoting.

He was so damn smart at his actions, you really notice when a player knows exactly what to do before receive the ball and where his teammates will run or be, that was Gallardo, a supreme intelligent player. It's true he wasn't so slow, but I wanna limit his actions at full speed, he kept a quite decent DS by moments, even could grow to yellows taking into account his TS but I don't want to overrate him. Other significant change is his mentality, he was a leader in the pitch when he came back to River, another type of player than when he was young, and he playe quite a lot in the three years, aside some normal injuries, so that will help him to complete the matches cause his stamina was quite bad.

The other changes were about his agility, yeah he was still quite agile but he was like 4 or 5 kg heavier than 3 years before and it was really noticiable at his movements, he had some quick turns but really far from his top days in this. And to balance this and because it was true as I said before, he is, probably with Ortega the players I noticed the most significant change at his BB when he was older, he really knew how to use his body and keep possesion meanwhile he lost agility.

I'll try to work and finish his 1996-1998 set, it's the only one we left, cause after 2006 he went to PSG a year, then to MLS and finished his carrer -yeah being good- at Nacional.
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000 | 2003-2006

Postby Link man » 2018 Sep 16, 15:44

Vickingo wrote:Added second River era.

Tried to be more extreme in some numbers to replicate how technically good he was in these years, how much consistent at it and the way he changed as a player. He's been always a playmaker, but in this second era he was a Classic no. 10, those who are extinct nowadays. I was more impressed about his long passing than his short, eventhough he was excellent in both, he was a real meance at set pieces crossing or shoting.

He was so damn smart at his actions, you really notice when a player knows exactly what to do before receive the ball and where his teammates will run or be, that was Gallardo, a supreme intelligent player. It's true he wasn't so slow, but I wanna limit his actions at full speed, he kept a quite decent DS by moments, even could grow to yellows taking into account his TS but I don't want to overrate him. Other significant change is his mentality, he was a leader in the pitch when he came back to River, another type of player than when he was young, and he playe quite a lot in the three years, aside some normal injuries, so that will help him to complete the matches cause his stamina was quite bad.

The other changes were about his agility, yeah he was still quite agile but he was like 4 or 5 kg heavier than 3 years before and it was really noticiable at his movements, he had some quick turns but really far from his top days in this. And to balance this and because it was true as I said before, he is, probably with Ortega the players I noticed the most significant change at his BB when he was older, he really knew how to use his body and keep possesion meanwhile he lost agility.

I'll try to work and finish his 1996-1998 set, it's the only one we left, cause after 2006 he went to PSG a year, then to MLS and finished his carrer -yeah being good- at Nacional.


friend, I think you should place the penalty star, thanks to that he had many goals in his second stage in River
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Re: Marcelo Gallardo | 1999-2000

Postby vinnie » 2018 Sep 16, 18:53

Vickingo wrote:I found it, this pass is absolute genius, curling, speed, otside foot, tempo and vision...imho is a 99 kind of pass, just crazy assist to Farías.
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that's an incredible pass, thanks for sharing.
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