Hakan Şükür | 1996-2000

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Hakan Şükür | 1996-2000

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Nickname: "The Bull of the Bosphorus" | "The King"

Club: Galatasaray S.K.



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Nicknamed "The Bull of the Bosphorus" by the European media, it is no coincidence that the rise of Turkish football in the early 1990's coincided with the emergence of the country's greatest footballer. Hakan Şükür began his football career with local club Sakaryaspor and made his league debut shortly after his 18th birthday in 1988. Two seasons later he moved to Bursaspor and won his first national cap in a friendly against Luxembourg in March 1992, scoring his first international goal in his next match against Denmark.

Inevitably his heading ability, which makes full use of his 1.91 m stature, and all-round excellence soon drew the attention of bigger clubs, and a move to Galatasaray followed in summer 1992. His time in Istanbul proved fruitful, with Galatasaray claiming six league titles and four Turkish Cups. In 1999–00, the last season of Şükür's first spell with the club (during this time, he had a short spell with Torino), Galatasaray completed a domestic double for the second year in succession and added the UEFA Cup to the trophy cabinet, the first Turkish side to win a European title.

A number of top European clubs toyed with the idea of signing Hakan, and he opted to play in Italy in 2002, trying his luck first with Internazionale and then Parma. In Parma, he met his old teammate, Brazilian Cláudio Taffarel. Neither move was successful, however, and after scoring twice in nine games for English side Blackburn Rovers in 2002–03 (with both goals coming in a game against Fulham), he returned to Galatasaray, scoring 12 times in 28 league games in his first season back.

"I have never felt like I should necessarily go to Europe and play for a bigger team," Hakan Sükür said of his time abroad. "Galatasaray were big enough." Despite his lack of success outside his homeland, his fine record for club and country, allied to an unselfish nature and a penchant for scoring crucial and memorable goals has assured him of a special place in the hearts of Turkish football fans. Outside of Turkey, he has scored 38 goals in all European competitions, and 51 international goals.


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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR| 1996-2000

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Feb 14, 18:33

Updated to fit new format.

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Extended Era from 1996-1997 to 1996-2000. Changed height from 191 cm to 190 cm according to two sources in Additional Links.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Kanouté » 2010 May 18, 07:10

Attack, Balance, Response, Agility, SA, ST and TEC should be higher. Especially agility needs a big increase. He was never the sitting bull when he was young. Very nimble considering his height. About ST, he did many bicycle kicks and did them very comfortably. Also his goalrecord was just amazing in that era. His controlling the ball skill was also above all the Turkish strikers and I'm sure that his attacking intelligence was way better than CR9. About Balance, he really outmuscled Tony Adams whose BB is 93 sometimes with ease in UEFA Cup Final. Also he was very good at poaching. I find that response value a bit low. I remember a FK that he took in the UEFA Cup Final, it had very good placement, very good curling, maybe FKA could do an increase.

To sum up

Att: 89-90
Bal: 93-94 (Considering his slim body comparing Adams)
Res: 88
Agi: 81-82
SA: 87
ST: 88
FKA: 75-76
Cur: 80 (So strange)
Tec: 86-87

S03 – 1-on-1 Finish/*1-1 Scoring
S05 – 1-touch play/1-Touch Pass
S14 – Quick Turn

should be added.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby gala2000 » 2010 Jun 13, 23:31

hello there, my first post here...goto say i love this forum

Hakan Sukur in his prime was quite quick with great stamina......i think his top speed could be around 82-83....he also made alot of goals....in the 96-97 season he scored 38 from 32 games and assisted over 20 as well.......he was a great team player well known for being unselfish. never before has one player been present for so many big games for both club and country he once went 4.5 years without missing a game due to injury..........great player
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby MMMM » 2011 Jun 06, 14:27

give him more crappy stats so he looks like a shit attacker. this guy could jump higher then any other player and you give him 85 jump. when he received a pass he touch the ball twice the second touch was a goal so response and shot accuracy should be way higher around 90. top speed 77 are you kidding me make it like 82. and attack 95 atleast. he always went deep he was always on the right place and he placed most his goals.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby gala2000 » 2011 Jun 26, 17:00

also reaction should be added to special ability as he was a master of breaking the offside trap in his prime....countless times he'd be play through by hagi, it was part hagis great vision and passing part hakans skill in holding the line and pouncing at the right moment.....after a champions league match in the late 90's franz beckenbauer said hakan's the best at in the world at that ability
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Albo7 » 2011 Oct 24, 22:06

Moved him to the main site, and gave him some updates after considering the above comments, and from what I've seen from him.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby GoodOldClassical » 2011 Oct 25, 08:35

I was comparing some bulky strikers in term of speed (spd/acc):

Tore Andre Flo - 80,79
Sukur - 82,84
Ibrahimovic - 85,83
G. Hurst - 79,78
Viduka - 81,82
Boksic - 86,88
Klose - 82,85
Rummenigge - 86,88
Jancker - 78,80
Lukaku - 84,82

Probably it is better to leave Lukaku out of this discussion as if we consider him we'll find evidence of great descrepancy between these sets.

I don't believe Sukur should be getting such "good" values for speed and accelaration.
I believe he should be more on par with Viduka using the current ladders.

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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Albo7 » 2011 Oct 25, 11:05

I didn't touch the speed stats from the old set, as I felt the speed stats in game were replicated al right. Şukur always showed great speed at running behind the defence, at evading opposition markers, and always used to beat defenders using his burst, I even think that we can consider giving him an 85 for Acc. DS could go down though.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby general suvorov » 2011 Oct 25, 19:29

one of my favoruite players of all time like most of the turkish football lovers. I was 8 years old when he moved to Gala and I'm one of the lucky guys who were able to follow his whole career. Some fields actually needs to be changed. First of all his finishing was never this good in his whole career. Even though the king was able to score from hard positions he was also capable of missing the empty net. I believe 83 would be the highest value for his shoot accuracy. Among the other stats I believe defence stamina and jumping is very underrated. Şükür was 193 and 84 kgs when Gala win the UEFA cup. He played more than 50 games and finished almost all of them. The nickname "Bull" is also because of his physical power and endurance. I'd give him at least 90 for his stamina. His jumping should be in the red lines cuz according to calculations of Fatih Terim, Hakan Şükür was able to jump higher than 100 cms. He's the only Turkish player who was so athletic considering his big size. If you want to see a sample just check his goal against Belgium in 2000 European Championship:



His aerial abilities should be in orange/red lines if we consider the header and jumping rates of close. I'd give him 94 heading 95 jumping for his best times.

And finially the defence and mentality. What the king did the best is actually his offensive press which disturbs the opponent defenders especially while they were building up a game plan. Şükür was a chasing back kind of Target Striker who was capable of tracing the opponents from the opponent box to his box. So that something like 50 in defence and a mid 80 value for mentality would be better imo.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Albo7 » 2011 Oct 25, 21:45

Thanx for the feedback Suvorov. I'd be glad if you posted more in the classics. Especially seeing that the Turkey all stars is almost empty. :(
I'd expect more help from you. :P

Now concerning Şukur, I just have one or 2 points to debate. Are you entirely sure with the 90? I know many players that play over 50 matches a season, but don't do that with the level they're supposed to. Was Şukur the chase of an absolutely untiring player that used to sprint upside-down the field? Was he the kind of player that During the 90-th minute, he was as fresh as the first minute? Because that's what a 90 in Stamina suggests.

Although I'd totally agree with you on his heading ability and monstrous jump, I think a 95 goes too far. He is already 190, and has a tremendous BB, such a tall player would always have the upper hand in aerial battles and with a 95 he'd just be scoring headers every game. Besides it's the forums policy not to rate such tall players too high in jumping, jurgens has made some great posts about this.

And concerning height and weight, you should give me the official links, so I can update him.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby GoodOldClassical » 2011 Oct 26, 08:03

one point to reinforce to the ongoing discussion:

to emulate the players physical way of playing, you will have always to put in equation several factors as a combination besides balance, speed, acc, stamina - the height and weight

that is why some big players don't need the high jumping (they did jump so high because also of their height and balance which gave them advantage andnot just because of their....jumping).
that is also why some small players who were very combative and enduring need high balance to oppose their small side. (if we put Materazzi with BB90 and Cannavaro with BB90 it will be always Materazzi to win the ball, assuming all other items are constant for both except the ratio weight/height)

to have this sensibility one has to adopt an error&try approach and experiment several values until the COM player replicates or emulates, according to our perception, the coprrect way of his human counterpart
and that doesn't mean always having the numbers looking right

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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby general suvorov » 2011 Oct 26, 15:49

I'm aware of the fact that his physical power height and body balance is also affects his success in aerial battles but what can you do if 193 guy is able to jump nearly 100 cms? Look at his goal and see how he jumps over a goal keeper who also has simlar physical attributes. My suggestions didn't depend on assumptions these are the facts. Regardless of the value that he shall be given, Şükür has an extra ordinary jumping ability for a guy in his size.

@Albo: I did some research on transfermarkt to see the stats of şükür but unfortunately only his European matches were taken as stat. For the stamina I can say Şükür had the endurance of a modern day fullback in his prime. I'd say 85 would be the minimum value. His stamina would be rated closely with the players like Ronaldo, Kuyt or Rooney if you ask me.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby GoodOldClassical » 2011 Oct 26, 20:38

I am not going against the aerial power he displays. the bull knows how to jump, for sure

~good comparision with a player who is tall, strong and also big jumper - Bruno Alves
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Albo7 » 2011 Oct 27, 21:05

Ok, so I can make a compromise to make his jump as high as a 92. Anything higher is just overkill.
I looked everywhere for his true height, and he was listed as 191 cm maximum. I can't rate him any higher than that suvorov, sorry. Although I can do it if you can bring me some good photos where we can compare him with some other players.
As for Stamina, I'll let you make your final call, as I trust your opinions about any turkish player. Are you entirely sure about the 90?
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby general suvorov » 2011 Oct 28, 07:21

well my euro 2000 album suggests he's 193 and 84 kgs. As for the jumping I think 92 is okay. For stamina I have a better idea. Probably a good combination of mid 80 values of mentality and stamina with a proper number of defence would be more accurate than boosting his values seperately.

I say:

Defence: 49
Stamina: 86
Shoot Accuracy: 82/83 at max.
Jumping: 92
Mentality: 84

would be appropriate imo
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Albo7 » 2011 Oct 28, 10:22

Fair enough, done. Also gave him a slight decrease in DS.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Kanouté » 2011 Oct 28, 10:51

You guys did pretty good job with my childhood hero. Thank you. Btw, Albo, add the nickname "The King" which is far more common in Turkey than the one in the first post. That one is a product of international media I guess.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby Albo7 » 2011 Oct 28, 12:41

Done. Btw, nice to see you back, my friend.
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Re: HAKAN ŞÜKÜR | 1996-2000

Postby gala2000 » 2011 Oct 29, 22:49

Hakan Sukur's height and weight is 191cm weight 83....thats what was in the offical galatasaray uefa cup final proggrame.

Souness said the Hakan was best ahlete he's ever seen in football, that you could make hakan run the marathon and send him straight out to do a solid 90mins game so i feel stamina should be 95. He was the first of a kind of that era so far as closeing down defenders and chaseing back, mentality 88 i feel

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