Davor Šuker | 1995-1998

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Davor Šuker | 1995-1998

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 13, 19:05

Nicknames: Sukerman, The Wizard of Osijek

Clubs: Sevilla CF (1995-96) / Real Madrid (1996-98)

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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby zguc » 2010 May 05, 12:39

The Unbearable Lightness of Scoring ...
Goal against Denmark was from Armani boutiques.

See only goal against Ireland in 94 minutes ...
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby SpongeBob » 2010 May 11, 18:09

Well said only that lob is worth SA 90 and where are hundreds of similar goals. Actually these are the worst stats I've ever seen in my life. I never liked
Šuker but he was a genius. His finishing was clinical, he rarely missed, his shots were so precise. It has nothing to do with ST. To score a goal you need
accurracy not technique. What's all ST worth if you miss the goal? SA at 89 is rediculous. Also how the hell he has 88 for BB? If he is at 88 than Asanović
must be on 93. Obviously you need to score 3000-4000 goals to have SA 90 on PSD.
Fortunately Konami made Šuker with normal stats and we can always laugh with these ones. Actually after Zguc's words in Jugoslavija all stars I started
to watch little bit Croatian players and I must admit some of them are unerrated for some unknown reason. I mean how can Bokšić have SP 84? It's
insane, his shots were on Lampard's level, maybe 1-2 less not more.
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby zguc » 2010 May 11, 23:38

In my view there are many unrealistic things in Šuker:
1. BB 88! is certainly stronger than Asanović, who has 85
2. DA 86 too much for him, 84 is much more realistic
3. SA 89! little value for such leaves and shooter, 90 is a custom-made
4. TEC 88! I would not exactly say that was so great technician, 84/85 is good enough
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby Fevernova » 2010 May 27, 17:20

I work as a journalist and recently, due to 2010 WC, we were asigned to make special chronicles for players that made history in the competition, and Suker was among them, I was the one the had to re-write his whole 1998 experience, what took a few days of investigations to get it right.

After all this highlights, chronicles, articles and some full lenght games watched regarding The Wizard of Osijek, I have to agree with most of zeguc´s and spongebob´s suggests, Brezza:

Balance: 88 > 86 (Strong, but not that strong)
Acceleration: 75 < 77-78 (Never fast, yet not slow as molluscs)
Response: 88 < 90-91 (Excelent reading of the game as well as positional sense)
SA and ST: Should be swapped (Great finisher, and great tech when hitting the ball, yet I'd rather take my hat off for his SA than his ST)
FKA: 80 > 77-78 (How many FKs did U see him score?
Jump: 76 < 78-79 (He was no Pele, but he could lift up his feet well above the ground)
Technique: 88 > 84-85 (Agree with zguc here, not that gentle on the ball, neither was his 1st touch)
Aggression: 88 < 90-92 (C'mon! No need to mention the guy was a fucking hazard when focused on going forward, the reason why he was so succesful at Sevilla, Madrid and others, always looking for goal, not the finest forward, but always putting his efforts in scoring the winning goal...and he often got it)

Rest is Ok, I think, hope I could help. ;)
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby zguc » 2010 May 31, 23:22

The most important and most realistic value for the update are:

Balance: 85/86
DA: 84
Response: 90
SA: 90
Technique: 84/85
Aggression: 90

He really needs a change in these segments.
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jun 01, 07:15

Updated to fit new format. Applied most of the previous suggestions. Changes...

1. Balance: 88-->86 - Asanović is on 89.

2. Acceleration: 75-->77,

3. Response: 88-->90,

4. Dribble Accuracy: 86-->84,

5. Shot Accuracy: 89-->90 - I agree his SA should be 90, but his ST should be at least on the same level or higher then his SA (for now I haven't lower his ST, if more people agree, I will do that). To replicate his scoring style high ST is also very important.

6. Free Kick Accuracy: 80-->78,

7. Jump: 76-->78,

8. Technique: 88-->85,

9. Aggression: 88-->90,

10. Added new Cards: P15: Goal Poacher, S03: 1-on-1 Finish, S04: PK Taker, S05: 1-touch Play + Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded.

11. Added Growth type: Standard and Additional Links.
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby zguc » 2010 Jun 01, 08:39

I think that the values now look great, you should not change the ST certainly should be greater than the value of SA, just because of his many fantastic goals.
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Jun 01, 15:48

Looks better now...

One question, tough...Why does his ¨Curling¨ appears underlined? ;)
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jun 01, 16:29

Click on it... ;)
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Jun 01, 18:11

I see, nice one... ;)
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby scotttt » 2010 Jun 02, 07:16

im not sure what stats to change but to say he was a genius is a bit of an overstatement, yes he had a good world cup and im not saying he wasnt any good but remember the season when real madrid won the champions league suker was 4th choice stiker. their order of preference was raul, mijatovic (who over the season was much better that suker), morientes, then suker. thats why real were so willing to sell him to arsenal. i would put his shot accuracy down to 88 and heading to 83, and response 88. just because a payer can perform so well for country doesnt mean he can do it over a season, even at arsenal he wasnt amazing or anything. i know people will disagree but i watched him loads over they seasons and its just my opinion
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby zguc » 2010 Jun 02, 08:37

You watch his only match for Real Madrid, look at a few of his matches and overall statistics for the national team ...

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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby SpongeBob » 2010 Jun 02, 10:21

Well, Konami answered in the best possible way concerning Šuker. I'll rather trust Konami than some frustrated user here.
Players here have some weird values in SA just because somebody thinks they'll score too much goals with high SA.
Unbelievable :lol:
I played hundreds of time with classic Netherlands on pes6 and Van Basten with default stats of course, and he was shit.
Only times he scored, it was with his head. And after a few matches I put him on the bench. Same thing also when CPU played
with him. He was nothing special, never near the top scorers in master league. So much abou high SA :roll:
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby zguc » 2010 Jun 02, 10:36

Clean example of how a player with a higher value is not better than a player who has an average value, is that Cafu and Carlos Alberto on position SB. Cafu has a much much better value, and in the game looks much worse than C. Alberto, who is the best SB in the game.
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby gala2000 » 2011 Sep 12, 23:28

he had much better speed then given here, i saw him play at euro 1996 in nottingham, he was quick, alen boksic was quicker but davor wasnt slow

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acc 81
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Re: Davor ŠUKER | 1996-1998

Postby Korinov » 2012 May 24, 18:16

I'm checking Konami's default right now (Shurak)... and it's odd, extremely odd. Seems one of those players Konami just didn't get right. BB 74, AGI 86, FKA and Curling 65 (???), plus Mentality and Teamwork in yellows. I actually like our set (Brezza's with Plava's tweaks) more. With some minor adjustments it could perfectly be included in the database, namely:

Higher ATT, lower DEF. I'm not sure about ATT but I wouldn't put him lower than Falcao (93). Regarding DEF, should be lower than both Higuaín and Benzema as they are now (37 and 39), I'd leave him at 35.
Balance is probably a bit high, he could do with 84. Relied more on technique when it come to dribble or hold the ball.
Stamina: 80 -> 81.
DA should go up a bit, 85 at least, probably even higher.
Regarding shooting... SP could use a downgrade, he mainly shot from inside the area and tended to almost always favor placement and technique over raw power. Even his FKs were displays or good placement and nice curling rather than strong shots. Would leave it at 82 although he could also do with 80/81 ingame. About SA and ST... well that's the only point where I agree with Konami, SA should be over ST, not the 94 value they gave him but something really good, 92/93 for SA and maybe 91 for ST.
FKA could be higher, yellows at least.
Technique could also use a raise, easily an 87 IMO, his trapping was overall pretty good and could do some very nice things with the ball.
Teamwork needs to go down... he wasn't participative enough to warrant yellows, usually played the role of central striker while Raúl and Mijatovic took care of the running and roaming around, creating spaces and such.
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