Frank Lampard | 2004-2006 | 2008-2010 | 2011-2012

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Frank Lampard | 2004-2006 | 2008-2010 | 2011-2012

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 13, 00:27

Nickname: "Super Frank"

Club: Chelsea FC


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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2005/2006

Postby Brezza » 2008 Dec 16, 01:49

Recent Suggestions;

GoonerLover66 Posted: Nov 14 2008, 03:42 PM wrote:He doesn't deserve that Stamina. Sure, his performances were energetic and made good use of his engine, but it doesn't need to be this high. I feel that a value around the 91 level would probably be okay.

I'm also concerned with his Team Work, but I need to think of a figure first.


Bret_Hart_67 Posted: Nov 14 2008, 04:13 PM wrote:He was never ever that good at free kicks :unsure:


I suggest:

Defence: 68
Stamina: 94/95 ( Disagree with GL here, these were the cyborg years for Lamps where he would run tirelessly every match in match out, never missing a game nor wavering away in his energetic performances in the process. His fitness levels and engine were pretty incredible and should be much higher than what the current day Lampard has )
Response 90: (based on discussion in the last forum)
Dribble Speed: 77/78
Long Pass Accuracy: 87
Shot Power: 90
Shot Technique: 85
Free kick: 81 ( He has scored more freekicks then people give him credit for or seem to remember. He was just as accurate as Gerrard around this time)
Mentality: 82 ( absolute tireless running but I don't think he tracked back to the extent of giving him 90 could be lower even)
teamwork: 92

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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004/2005

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 07, 19:04

He is a very tenacious fighting spirit people! However, the game's ability to value and should not show! !
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004/2005

Postby Uzair » 2009 Sep 14, 20:32

just a few changes i want to put forward.

i think stamina should be 95 or maybe 94. absolute tireless runner but for me he was just about made the cut as a fitness beast and not so close to 99. looking at the ladders that sort of figure suits him well. he was always moving but jogging at a leisurely pace too. not always constantly running like davids or cafu though. or even nedved.

small change to SA. once again no more accurate than nedved so an 85

also mentality. did he ever really chase players down that much??? his current set has 82 and rightly deserved so i don't think he was ever higher than a 85-86 :? or he never struck me as one of the truly hard-working players.
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 15, 11:45

I think SPA is a bit overated. He already has a crazy TW and *playmaker so he is a great passer, but his passes were mostly into the empty space, not through tight holes. And with this SPS u don't need much SPA to do great passes.

Also, why *positioning?
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby BigStu » 2009 Sep 15, 14:54

p1rha wrote:Also, why *positioning?


have you seen lampard in and around the box, if you have comapre him to others who have it then you'll see why
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 15, 15:11

He has a very high attack (although deserved) value for a midfielder already, imo *positioning is for players who excel at receiving crosses inside the box. What about my pass sugestion? To me what makes Lampard so good is his scoring ability, more than his playmaking abilities, he's not the kind of player that does those "through the needle hole" kind of passes, but he as great vision to understand when there's an open space to set an attacker free.
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby Brezza » 2009 Sep 15, 15:18

p1rha wrote:What about my pass sugestion? To me what makes Lampard so good is his scoring ability, more than his playmaking abilities, he's not the kind of player that does those "through the needle hole" kind of passes, but he as great vision to understand when there's an open space to set an attacker free.


Thats why he doesn’t have the *Passing star.
Lampard's passing was and still is spotless. He's all about efficiency, there are not too many players in the world who can distribute the ball more intelligently than him. SPS could come down a couple though.

Gave him an update based on Uzair's suggestions in case people missed it.
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby BigStu » 2009 Sep 15, 15:26

p1rha wrote:He has a very high attack (although deserved) value for a midfielder already, imo *positioning is for players who excel at receiving crosses inside the box. What about my pass sugestion? To me what makes Lampard so good is his scoring ability, more than his playmaking abilities, he's not the kind of player that does those "through the needle hole" kind of passes, but he as great vision to understand when there's an open space to set an attacker free.


he does the through the needle passes though from time to time (look at his pass vs stoke for drogbas goal)
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 15, 15:43

Brezza wrote: Lampard's passing was and still is spotless.

Accuracy alright...

Brezza wrote:He's all about efficiency, there are not too many players in the world who can distribute the ball more intelligently than him.

That's TW.

Ur mind is made up and maybe ur right but let me say i used to play with Aimar with *playmaking, no *passing and SPA 90 and he was great at doing short (10-20 m) through passes. Not that 90 is far fetched but just a little over the top imo. It's the same as Deco, they have great vision and they prefer to pass into the open space rather than directly into the striker's feet like Rui Costa or Pirlo.


And should he not have *outside for those swerving shots?
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby N3KR0 » 2009 Sep 16, 13:04

why doesnt he have ' god region ' teamwork?
i just want an explanation, because from what i see, hes all over the pitch, if Xavi can sit at 97 then Lampard can go up with no doubt.
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby Brezza » 2009 Sep 16, 16:59

Im with you, I remember Del Perio gave him 97 for teamwork before. I doubt anyone will agree to a higher rating than this but really his general movement, intelligence and ability to read teamplay is one the highest around the world and still is. People seem to think that the stat should just be related to vision in one's passing. Pirlo doesn't really deserve any higher teamwork than Xabi Alonso for instance.

Underrated by whom though? He's widely considered to be a world class midfielders by just about anyone, Paul Scholes will always be more underatted than him, just look at the response to his thread.
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby N3KR0 » 2009 Sep 17, 11:50

Del Piero 97 :lol:
I agree with you, hes a really itelligent guy and he can read and complete a play really well.
Paul Scholes attitude make him hated and underrated really, im not a fan of him because of his attitude so i dont pity him :mrgreen:
Well what do you suggest for his TW? because i dont have a number really, but if Xavi is on 97 i dont see why Lampard cant have the same value or so.
I would also recomed to update his TW in the normal Frank Lampard because i still think hes one of the best in that aspect.
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby N3KR0 » 2009 Nov 13, 09:29

I agree with *Outside, not only of his shots he always make a pass by his outside foot too, but that doesn't mean he can't use his left foot, I saw him scoring some really wonderful goals with his left foot, But he normally does tend to pass with his right foot even in awkward situatuons for some reason.

Also as I said, we may want to discuss his Team Work number, though 92 is quite big, but I personally would go with something bigger, I really can't see why he can't be in these god region numbers, Lampard has always communicated with his team mates well and his general movement all over the pitch, intelligence, just warrants him a god region number IMO.

Cards ?

S01 - Reaction
S04 - PK Taker
S05 - 1-touch Play
P13 - Long Ranger
P17 - Free Roaming
P20 - Talisman

P09 – Early Cross ?
P08 – Pinpoint Pass ?
S06 – Outside Curve?
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Re: FRANK LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby prosser2k10 » 2009 Nov 13, 09:47

I know it might sound wierd but shouldn't he get the [] for the striker that makes the player hang around the edge of the box because he did it many times back then
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FRANK LAMPARD | 2008-2010

Postby BigStu » 2010 Aug 13, 16:19

for the Chelsea 2009-10 era team and from my evoweb thread

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Name: Frank Lampard Jr "Super Frank"

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Club: Chelsea
Number: 8
Position: CMF*, AMF
Nationality: English
Age: 31-32 (20/06/1978)

Foot: R
Side: B

Length: 183
Weight: 79

Attack: 86
Defence: 68
Balance: 83
Stamina: 91
Top Speed: 79
Acceleration: 76
Response: 90
Agility: 80
Dribble Accuracy: 82
Dribble Speed: 77
Short Pass Accuracy: 88
Short Pass Speed: 91
Long Pass Accuracy: 88
Long Pass Speed: 87
Shot Accuracy: 84
Shot Power: 89
Shot Technique: 86
Free Kick Accuracy: 76
Curling: 83
Header: 76
Jump: 73
Technique: 84
Aggression: 84
Mentality/Tenacity: 82
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 91

Injury Tolerance: A
Form/Condition/Fitness: 8
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 7

CARDS:
P10 – Box to Box
P13 – Long Ranger
P17 – Free Roaming
P20 – Talisman
S04 – PK Taker
S05 – 1-touch play
S06 – Outside Curve

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Positioning
*Reaction
*Playmaking
*Middle Shooting
*Centre
*Penalties
*1-Touch Pass
*Outside

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Balanced

Attack
Super Frank, the ultimate midfielder, a midfielder whose movement, posting and attacking desire is second to none, no midfielder in the world is better than him, and is as good as many excellent strikers.

Defence
Frank always gets the plaudits for his attacking work, and is always ignored at the other end of the pitch. Frank is the ultimate box to box midfielders, he really does run form box to box, he could be making a desperate saving block or tackle at one end, or scoring a tap in at the other within a short of space of time, he is tackling is excellent for a midfielder and potentially worthy of *sliding, but considering he has a high response it is probably overkill.

Stamina/Fitness/Injury
When the hell is Frankie injured? A Injury for him is a rare, event, he has been injured less over his entire 14 season career than an average player is a season, though he is becoming more injury prone as age begins to take its tole, he has still only been injured for 2 or 3 matches this season! He is also never fatigued, he may miss the rare game to being rested for a big game, but that’s not because he needs a rest, he plays game after game after, game and his appearance record speaks for itself.

2001-02 - 53
2002-03 - 48
2003-04 - 58
2004-05 - 58
2005-06 - 50
2006-07 - 62
2007-08 - 40
2008-09 - 53
2009-10 - 42

On to Stamina, which is a simple matter, he never gets tired in matches; he played 120 mins in one the toughest matched of his career, the 2008 champions league final, without even looking tired, in fact he was still able to step up and beat van der sar from the spot, and its not like he has a high mentality, while he certainly works for the team he isn’t some player who chases every ball down, he is too intelligent to work in that way, he is much more useful in space or making attacking runs.

Response
Frank, is just about the nest midfielder, in this, he reacts insanely fast to anything, which is unsurprising seeing he has got zero pace (the only Chelsea players slower than him are Terry Alex, Ballack and the keepers), any loose ball pass, he there in a flash, he is without a doubt the best offensive midfielder in this area, second only in midfield to Esteban Cambiasso.

Dribbling
Cleary Lampard is not going to excel in this area, he is too slow to for to be worth dribbling much, though isn’t bad at it has to be said.

Passing
This is where he really score, Frank is one of the best passers in the league, while he doesn’t quite cut in terms of accuracy in comparison to Fabre gas, nor does he passes it as fast as Gerrard he is however the best compromise in the league.

Shooting
This is where Frank is one of a kind; his scoring record is one that even a good striker would envy, over his 14 season career he has scored 192 club goals and 29 international goals from midfield, and for the fifth year running he has scored at least 20 club goals a season.
Most of his success is down to his fantastic movement and positioning skills, but he is in his own right an excellent finisher, though this isn’t his main asset in shooting, instead his main asset is his class striking of the ball, he hits it, it says hit and he can also score form tight angles.
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Re: Frank LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby Jez » 2010 Aug 14, 00:15

Surely the current stats should just be copied over..?
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Re: Frank LAMPARD | 2004-2005

Postby BigStu » 2010 Aug 14, 08:10

that was my initial thought, but I didn't know who to credit for them and anyway the current stats do need a couple of changes, like the adding of outside, response 90, etc
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Re: Frank LAMPARD | 2004-2005 & 2008-2010

Postby jurgens » 2011 Aug 19, 18:34

Any thoughts on the first post? Imo his spa is way over done for one.
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Re: Frank LAMPARD | 2004-2005 & 2008-2010

Postby BigStu » 2011 Aug 19, 18:56

they both need changes, Ill try and cook something up based on the set I've created for current frank

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