Ryan Giggs | 1993-94 | 1996-99 | 2000-03 | 2006-09

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Ryan Giggs | 1993-94 | 1996-99 | 2000-03 | 2006-09

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 23:20

Nickname: *The Welsh Wizard*

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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby POSTER#1 » 2008 Dec 13, 08:00

Discussion/Suggestions:

dannel Posted: May 7 2008, 02:09 PM wrote:His crossing was class ! Should be higher than an 81...


Fides Posted: May 7 2008, 02:12 PM wrote:Was he really this fast? Wasnt it more like 92/94?


Mr RVN Posted: May 7 2008, 03:41 PM wrote:
Fides,May 7 2008, 01:12 PM wrote: Was he really this fast?

Yes he was. Like Beckham though his pace just seems to have disappeared completely. :blink: :(


CombineHarvester Posted: May 7 2008, 03:42 PM wrote:No he was really this fast, I think his acceleration and agility good even be increased :o Also, not sure about teamwork, I know he done a lot of individual runs and stuff, but he did have that "telepathic connection" with Cantona (as described by Cantona). Maybe 78/79 for teamwork, he used to cross the ball and flick it onto players a lot more than Ronaldo does currently and started big team moves. Ronaldo's currently got 78 and I think it should be higher tbh. Brilliant stats though, the only other things I'm not too sure about yet is long passing and atk/def ratio.


Mr RVN Posted: May 7 2008, 03:46 PM wrote:He wasn't spectacular at crossing I don't think, I'm not sure if there is any real difference with his crossing now compared to back then, although if I have a majority against me I suppose i'll change it. I agree on teamwork though, although I thought I keep thinking Ronaldo's teamwork is 77 :lol:, I'll edit it to 79.

As for Attack/Defence ratio, the defensive side of Giggs has only truly been developed over the last 3/4 years, and he was actually really good at positioning himself in attack.

EDIT: Damn, forgot Nrby put the stats up. :P


CombineHarvester Posted: May 7 2008, 04:29 PM wrote:lol yeah. I was thinking more 84/84 for long passing and a higher attack/lower defence maybe 35 for defence and high 80s for attack.


Fides Posted: May 7 2008, 04:38 PM wrote:And was his balance really 82?


CombineHarvester Posted: May 7 2008, 04:40 PM wrote:Probably at some point. I think maybe 78 in those times though.


psiqueus Posted: May 8 2008, 05:43 AM wrote:
Mr RVN,May 7 2008, 04:35 PM wrote:
Fides,May 7 2008, 03:31 PM wrote: He wasnt ever better then C. Ronaldo nowadays is. Try to keep that in mind.

Yeah, that's true. Ronnie now is far better in attack than Giggs was then. Giggs just beat him in the speed and dribbling and the teamwork. :D

Mr RVN, do you think that Giggs was better than Ronaldo in dribbling? Also, I want to ask you if you have a record of Giggs in 40 or 100 metres dash, because I remember that he was bloody fast, but I think that he is overrated on TS, I suggest 92-93.


Fides Posted: May 8 2008, 03:52 PM wrote:But some suggestions which still stand:
TS: 92
BB: 78

And some I would like to add:
MNT: 80 max.
I dont think the 26 year old winger Giggs was already that often tracking back opponents.


Mr RVN Posted: May 9 2008, 04:22 PM wrote:
Fides,May 8 2008, 02:52 PM wrote: MNT: 80 max.
I dont think the 26 year old winger Giggs was already that often tracking back opponents.

Ah, now you see that's a difference between the Old Giggs and the present Giggs. Back then Gigggsy had a tendancy to run about like a headless chicken in defence, but wasn't really that effective. However, nowadays he doesn't do so much running, but is in fact miles better at defending and is a lot more efficient in his tackling. Hence Old Giggs' high mentality, but really low defence.


T-rex Posted: May 30 2008, 02:43 PM wrote:his free kicks should be up by a couple
he was better than that low 80s will be fine


Choccy Posted: Jun 3 2008, 10:35 AM wrote:Injury: B. He had lots of niggles in his early days. He said in an interview that he thought a lot of the injuries were down to the hard pedals of sports cars :rolleyes:


Glorfindel Posted: Oct 4 2008, 06:33 PM wrote:about his speed and dribbling

I have tested these stats and look on spot!

top speed 90
acceleration 96
response 85
agility 90
dribbling accuracy 95
dribbling speed 97
technique 95


Also, I think you under-rate his pass, long and short (numerous and genius assists), and his free kicks/curling (very good set pieces and he took all the corner kicks of his team), we speak about one of the best players of all time with an awesome left foot


jez Posted: Oct 4 2008, 11:47 PM wrote:
Glorfindel,Oct 4 2008, 06:33 PM wrote: Also, I think you under-rate his pass, long and short (numerous and genius assists), and his free kicks/curling (very good set pieces and he took all the corner kicks of his team), we speak about one of the best players of all time with an awesome left foot

he might of taken all the corners when becks wasnt playing but i dont think he did when he was on the pitch :rolleyes:
i don't really think the stats need changing either
he was faster then than ronaldo is now imo so i think it should stay the same
response could go up to 85 but it doesnt really seem all that necisarry


p1rha Posted: Nov 5 2008, 03:44 AM wrote:
Fides,May 7 2008, 04:31 PM wrote: He wasnt ever better then C. Ronaldo nowadays is. Try to keep that in mind.

Sorry but he's absolutely right. If you leave topsp: 88 accel:92 dbsp:91 he'll still be very fast. And he wasn't as fast as Robben.

faster than boniek, littbarski, maradona etc? on your dreams baby!

Mr RVN,May 9 2008, 04:46 PM wrote:
CombineHarvester,May 9 2008, 03:42 PM wrote:Giggs was a pure winger. Speed and dribbling and those intricate leg movements. Crossing the ball in and passing it across the field as well. Ronaldo moves more inside and tends to do a lot more short passing and coming inside more than Giggs ever did who tended to stick to the wing a lot more. Ronaldo's heading ability, penalty box positioning and definitely shooting was a lot better than Giggs. Also, Ronaldo's stepovers and skills are a better as well.

I agree with you mostly there, but Giggs used to be deadly with his shooting. Realy good shots, especially from hard angles.

most of those shots were fairly easy 'cause he had dribled the whole team :lol:

I'd put him to the level of kaká in terms of drible and speed. Maybe a bit more precise.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby POSTER#1 » 2008 Dec 13, 16:41

So it was soley Mr RVN?

Just confused as Nrby posted his stats, this happened in another thread were the original maker could not update his own stats after suggestions. XD
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 17, 03:24

I think these stats look perfectly fine!
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby choccy » 2009 Feb 07, 14:45

I still think he should have injury B, he was never out as much as Michael Owen but they had similar hamstring problems because of their explosiveness.

His LPA is well reflected in the stats, he wasn't always spot on. But I'd say his SPA was better than 76, he has always been up to trying the surprising pass and it didn't always come off if his teammates weren't aware of what he was up to. Which is also why I think his TW looks good at 77.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby Jez » 2009 May 21, 18:38

condition 8 is wrong
he didnt play THAT many games this season to warrant that figure

he only played a hand full of times more than blomqvist as they more or less shared the left wing posistion all season
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby p1rha » 2009 May 29, 23:13

These are the stats i most strongly disagree:

Attack: 85 - at his peak his attack positioning was decent

Balance: 78 - giggs was never strong. he was fast, agile and brave but never strong

Top Speed: 90
Acceleration: 92 - he was deadly fast when with the ball, not off of it. This, combined with his dribble speed is more than enough to replicate his style imo.

Short Pass Accuracy: 82
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 86
Long Pass Speed: 85 - man where have u been? giggs was an excellent passer, u didn't see that much of passing from him but when u did it was accurate.

Free Kick Accuracy: 81
Curling: 86 - blinded by becks but he was always a decent freekicker, not as good as today though

Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot frequency: 4 - again i don't understand this. giggs has scored some beautiful goals with his right, many of them harder shots than some can take with their right foot (being right footed of course)

maybe i'm not really aiming at 98/99 giggs but more at the best giggs ever, wich doesn't make such a diference anyway
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby prosser2k10 » 2009 Jun 27, 01:36

FKA should be 81 he was second choice behind the 1 and only becks
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby Markulur » 2009 Jul 06, 23:07

prosser2k9 wrote:FKA should be 81 he was second choice behind the 1 and only becks

This is not really a reason to raise it...
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998/1999

Postby p1rha » 2009 Jul 06, 23:22

Markulur wrote:
prosser2k9 wrote:FKA should be 81 he was second choice behind the 1 and only becks

This is not really a reason to raise it...


No, but he is quite good at taking freekicks, probably it wasn't as visible back then just because of Becks
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1993-1994 & 1998-1999

Postby GengisKhangr » 2009 Oct 06, 03:30

Giggsy had a deadly right foot shot despite favouring his left foot. Also he has scored numerous(and great) goals with his right one. Take a look at this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEAouJwT ... re=related

I vote for Weak Foot ACC to 5 and Weak Foot FREQ to 4.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1993-1994 & 1998-1999

Postby Brezza » 2010 Feb 03, 00:37

Updated format/cards
dropped balance 82 < 80
Raised free kick accuary > 81
WFA: 5
WFF: 4
Injury: B
Condition: 7

Here's a pretty good example of his blistering pace in the early days anyway

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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1993-1994 & 1998-1999

Postby BigStu » 2010 Feb 03, 08:05

I knew he was quick but that just ridiculous, usain bolt eat your heart out....
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby hsnandra » 2010 Apr 20, 16:03

He really does not deserve slide tackle; back in 90s, he hardly EVER made a tackle. Considering that his prime focus was on rampaging down the left wing, it doesn't really make any sense to give a completely attack-minded left-sided midfielder slide tackle.
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Postby Review » 2010 May 10, 22:01

p1rha wrote:These are the stats i most strongly disagree:

Attack: 85 - at his peak his attack positioning was decent

Balance: 78 - giggs was never strong. he was fast, agile and brave but never strong

Top Speed: 90
Acceleration: 92 - he was deadly fast when with the ball, not off of it. This, combined with his dribble speed is more than enough to replicate his style imo.

Short Pass Accuracy: 82
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 86
Long Pass Speed: 85 - man where have u been? giggs was an excellent passer, u didn't see that much of passing from him but when u did it was accurate.

Free Kick Accuracy: 81
Curling: 86 - blinded by becks but he was always a decent freekicker, not as good as today though

Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot frequency: 4 - again i don't understand this. giggs has scored some beautiful goals with his right, many of them harder shots than some can take with their right foot (being right footed of course)

maybe i'm not really aiming at 98/99 giggs but more at the best giggs ever, wich doesn't make such a diference anyway


His top speed is massively overrated on here. 90/91 looks about right. I wouldn't touch his acceleration though. Prime Giggs is defn worthy of a 95.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Jez » 2010 May 10, 22:32

I'm not a big fan of these stats to be honest. There's a lot I disagree with. That goes for my 93/94 set too which I really need to sort out! I may look to work on an update in the near future and post up some suggestions. I have a lot of commitments in the EPL though at the moment though so it'd probably be a while..
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby adieet » 2010 May 11, 03:27

I think his TS could be lower than 95, around 90-93 seems fine.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Review » 2010 May 13, 21:25

jez wrote:I'm not a big fan of these stats to be honest. There's a lot I disagree with. That goes for my 93/94 set too which I really need to sort out! I may look to work on an update in the near future and post up some suggestions. I have a lot of commitments in the EPL though at the moment though so it'd probably be a while..


Your right. Both sets need to be updated. Classic Giggs is overrated and underrated in several areas.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby besthunter » 2010 May 24, 00:48

these need some major changes... insane stats, would be like a god in game
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby BigStu » 2010 May 24, 06:49

in fairness he was a god back then....

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