Steve Bruce | 1990-1994


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Steve Bruce | 1990-1994

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 19:51

Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Standard/Lasting

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Steve Bruce was a bedrock of Manchester United's success in the 1990's. Commanding the United back four with a reassuring presence, control and great tactical awareness, Bruce was the steady foundation upon which to build a great team. Most importantly of all, he had an unquenchable spirit and motivation often playing with injuries that would put lesser men in hospital. His bravery and courage was unrivalled, a totally committed player ready to give his all for his team, and this inspired the team-mates around him. A true United great, and a damn fine manager too. Steve Bruce started out as a midfielder but translated into a powerful and dependable centre-back whom many described as the best player of the 1980s and 1990s never to appear for England.

NOTE: Whilst injury prone himself, I've given Brucey a very rare A for Injury Tolerance because he played through pretty much all of his injuries with no obvious alterations in his performances. Made of steel, was Brucey. :D


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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 May 10, 22:45

Just a thought, maybe he should have *Positioning.

He scored fair amount of goals as a defender (some of them were crucial for Man. Utd.).

Also, maybe your height and weight are wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce

http://www.worldfootball.net/spieler_pr ... eve-bruce/

If you have more reliable sources, then I stand corrected.

Btw., good job on his stats.
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby choccy » 2009 May 20, 13:11

There are some aspects of these stats I don't understand.

If you compare Dolly and Daisy to Rio and Vidic, Pally would be the equivalent of Rio and Bruce would be the equivalent to Vida. They really are quite similar.

I'd drop his DA to 68/69, his dribbling was about on par with Vidic these days, only slightly worse. His DS wasn't great either, IMO 68/69.

I'm also unsure about his passing stats, Pally was the one that distributed the ball Rio-style. Bruce was content to pass it to the SB's or Pally, IMO Vidic is more adventorous with his passing. IMO all the passing stats needs to adjusted. I'll wait with any suggestions, Mr RvN and GL are obviouslygreat at stat making, so I'll wait to hear if you agree in general with what I'm saying.
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby p1rha » 2009 May 30, 01:57

Style of play

During the early part of his career, Bruce's sometimes over-enthusiastic playing style, which he later described as "rampaging",[10] caused him disciplinary problems. He later developed into a solid and dependable all-round player, characterised as "an honest trier who made the absolute most of limited natural ability".[84] In his prime he was particularly noted for his calm and deliberate passing of the ball, and his ability to control it under pressure, often with his chest. At the time, Mark Wright of Liverpool was said to be the only other central defender able to match Bruce's level of skill in these areas.[52]

Bruce was also known for his unusually high goalscoring rate for a central defender, resulting from a combination of his ability to powerfully head the ball and his effectiveness in taking penalty kicks.[85] Although lacking poise and grace,[84] and often criticised for his lack of pace,[84][86] his bravery and willingness to take knocks from opposition players made him the "heart" of the defence during his time with Manchester United.[87] He was well known for continuing to play even when injured,[84][88] including returning to the United team at short notice in 1992 even though he was awaiting an operation on a hernia.[52] His indomitable spirit and motivational abilities were deemed vital to the United team,[84] and Alex Ferguson has commented on his "determination and heart".


hope this helps... also he was 1.83 m/ 83 kg (http://www.zerozero.pt/jogador/steve_br ... ault/44113) wich may lead to lowering BB...
and i would add *DMF
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby choccy » 2009 Jun 02, 13:40

Hadn't noticed that his BB was that high, agree that it should come down a couple of points. He was really strong so I wouldn't lower it too much.

DMF is big no, not once have I ever seen him play there.

As for his passing I mentioned earlier, it might that I'm being overly harsh, memory can be deceptive. But in can't for the life of me remember his passing being this good.

My comment on his DA and DS still stand though. He was an archetypical English CB, strong, good in the air, extremely committed but slow and lacking skills wise (compared to Southern European defenders).
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby p1rha » 2009 Jun 02, 16:59

In his prime he was particularly noted for his calm and deliberate passing of the ball, and his ability to control it under pressure

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...Although lacking poise and grace...
..."an honest trier who made the absolute most of limited natural ability"...


A bit odd, this senteces go against each other. But i trust your judgement, and i also have an idea of bruce being a bit of a rock, hard but can't really move. I´ll post my suggestions once i test him well enough.

What about jump? he was good in the air, but he had thin legs for a footballer... What would u suggest?
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby choccy » 2009 Jun 15, 18:14

I've now tested him with 87 and height 1,83. He's dominating like he should, but think his jump should come down none the less. IMO it was upper body strength and psycho mentality that made him such a rock in the air. Header should stay as it is, but I'd lower jump to 85/84. Pallister was always the one who marked the tallest forward anyway. Not that that mattered when Duncan Ferguson played though.
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby p1rha » 2009 Jun 15, 20:07

So can u post ur stats? I have these stats now:

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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1992/1993

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Aug 14, 14:41

You're right about Height/weight. It's 183/83. Can it be finally changed in first post :?:
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jul 17, 19:21

I would raise his Attack: 55-->60-62. His effectiveness in opposition's box and his ability to score some important headers made me think that he deserves higher Attack. I mean he does have great values for Header, Jump and Balance but that doesn't mean too much if he's not good (for a CB) while positioning during set pieces.

Any thoughts about this suggestion?

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Added Additional Links, extended his Era from 1992-1993 to 1990-1994, changed Growth type: Early/Lasting-->Standard/Lasting.
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby jurgens » 2010 Jul 17, 19:26

93 BB when modern day samuel has 90? I don't think so. Extremly over rated. More of an 88/89
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby Brezza » 2011 Apr 02, 16:16

I agree with the majority of P1rha stats, maybe a tad harsh on speed id put him level was present day Carragher. I also agree with Plava that Attack needs to come up. his positioning and effectiveness in the box was excellent, 113 goals is a staggering total for a centreback id actually put it level with Classic Terry on 69 who has even better physical abilities than Bruce... He was great penalty taker as well which contributed to his goal tally but in my experience I think its too hard to score pens with mid 60's shot acc even with Penalty card especially when the A.I takes them they would easily fluff it. Balance could come down a couple of points. Choccy is right, despite being a decent passer for a centre half ( started out as a DM early in his career) he was more conservative compared to Gary.

Edit: Updated

Attack: 55>69
Acceleration: 74>72
Dribble Accuary: 75>72
Dribble Speed: 75>72
Short Pass Accuracy: 74
Short Pass Speed: 76
Long Pass Accuracy: 79 > 72
Long Pass Speed: 81 >75
Shot Accuracy: 66>70
Technique: 80>75
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby BigStu » 2011 Aug 26, 16:57

just wondering iof he was that good, I mean he never played for england
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby Brezza » 2011 Aug 26, 17:36

1. He played in a position where there was a lot of competition with already established regulars like Terry Butcher, Des Walker,Tony Adams Gary Pallister. Bobby Robson admitted that not picking Bruce was one of his biggest regrets

2. Then Graham Taylor took over and he was an idiot ( see why Le Tissier hardly played for England)

I think top speed and res could be dropped two points each further though.
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby BigStu » 2011 Aug 26, 17:40

I knew that :oops:
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby jurgens » 2011 Aug 26, 20:09

I still say his BB is way over done. Exact same height/weight as Walter Samuel... bruce just was no where near as strong as him. A dogged fighter, but not someone who just overpowered everyone through sheer strenght a lone. Just look at their physiques, bruce is kinda puddgy, samuel is all muscle.
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby Brezza » 2011 Sep 02, 23:17

Well, fat guys are pretty strong too :lol: Bruce was build more like a rugby prop than a football player. His upper body strengh in particular was pretty impressive and was a key reason to him winning and scoring so many headers in the opponents box. I agree that there isnt a 3 point gap between him and Samuel but i consider him a bit underrated by a point or two and you guys have a weird balance standard going on at the moment. I remember reading that you rate Samuel 94 def and 91 for bal in his prime?

Anyways.. tweaked again and updated to the new format ;)
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Re: Steve BRUCE | 1990-1994

Postby frshmn » 2013 May 26, 16:53

Couldn't help but notice while working on Brian McClair's set, Bruce's delivery from the back is surprisingly good. His short passing's very conservative, so he's already rated well in that regard, but he needs a higher LPA value. Preferably, his LPA value should be higher than his SPA and his LPS - his long passes had decent pace, but the accuracy in the execution is what really stands out. He'd do quite nicely around a 78 or so.
His TS is 83, big deal. Arguing for 79 is whiny.
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Re: Steve Bruce | 1990-1994

Postby Whoah10115 » 2019 Apr 22, 13:17

Def and BB should both be higher. He was an ox. Maybe drop Agi.

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