i didn't know there was a set for de jong. i've been trying to make a set since i noticed him not too long ago.
the one thing i'm strongly noticing in this thread is the types of comparisons being made: De Jong's like a young kovacic, he's like kaka was...
this is all along the same ability i picked up on too when i was watching De Jong. i think working on the set without knowing there was already one meant i could form a perspective that didn't draw from anyone else, or a perspective that wasn't hesitant to break away from consensus.
and the feeling that i got as i watched de jong, is that he could be worth as much as 99 ds.
that's where the comparisons are coming from in my opinion. he's not that quick, but he accelerates so so well with the ball. and when he has the chance, he keeps pretty much full speed on the ball. he's been effective playing in a similar role to inter milan era kovacic because of that DS, he can cut through an open channel so well and so aggressively. but when i went through the kovacic thread a few days ago looking at old examples of inter era kovacic to compare against, i found kovacic's DS to be noticeably lower than De Jong's; kovacic is faster off the ball, but de jong is smoother and better at keeping just about full speed.
here's some notable examples from what i've watched:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvP3IwttuWA&t=3m23shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLlzPv6l_ok&t=7m37shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaOLIticbVo&t=3m40shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZpLv-PA9R8&t=2m03shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmXlkFwdPIw&t=1m03shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmXlkFwdPIw&t=3m49shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiQw9Q6ly5I&t=2m53s
and that's without including all of the small micro examples where he accelerates with the ball under such great control, because he can consistently measure each touch of his dribble as he increases his speed so well that he never kicks the ball too far, or too close that he trips over the ball, it's all so fluid and unforced.
i honestly don't think there's a reason to keep his DS below 97. my very first and immediate impression watching De jong was that he must be at the minimum 94 DS, and i had a strong hunch he was solidly into reds, and that was before even comparing to other players, and before seeing some of the best dribbling speed displays by De Jong such as some of the above examples.
on the other hand, though i considered a higher DA value, in the end i personally didn't think he's shown more than DA 84. i think he's elegant and agile without being nimble and quick turning, but he is most successful and dependent on his ability to accelerate so smoothly on the ball and dribble at top speed with flawless consistency.
he has some great dribbling displays in tight spaces but the best moments i saw were against weak teams, i.e the andorra u17. against well set up teams or decent eresdivisie teams (still very weak teams compared to the top european leagues) his dribbling dominance and habits change alot, and i see less daring to twist and maneuver. but de jong has an absolutely unhesitant and unnerring will to attack the smallest gap in a midfield and lead a counter attack from his own box to the opposition's box using dribbling speed no matter who he plays against.
maybe i underrate de jong's agility and da, but i think he should be rated around his dribbling speed first, and then when i look at how he dribbles outside of that, i'm not so impressed. the player i thought of who is comparable in DA alone is Bale around 2010-2012; though clearly more agile than that bale, they both were very successful in dribbling with speed, and very good but much more limited outside of that. De jong has a big advantage over Bale because of his much higher level of nimbleness though. i do think De Jong could develop and become good enough to be worth 87 DA or more, or maybe i just am underrating his DA, but for now i don't see a level higher than 84 as of now. the same goes for agility, i think it could be as much as 84, but i think it's better to keep it lower at 82.
the set i was quite close to satisfied with as a base is this below:
Top Speed: 80
Dribble Accuracy: 84
Dribble Speed: 99
Short Pass Accuracy: 78
Short Pass Speed: 75
Long Pass Accuracy: 82
Long Pass Speed: 82
Shot Accuracy: 68
Shot Power: 78
Shot Technique: 68
Free Kick Accuracy: 65
Keeper Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
because this was made using vs vids, i can't confirm tw, or aggresion. i can't say anything solidly about defence either, he's played as a centreback a few times, but outside of doing his job okay with some tackles and slides and good anticipation here and there, i didn't see something great. he moves a bit erratically and wildly too when going to pressure or tackle, belying his inexperience in that position perhaps?
oh and maybe i underrated short passing, but my first impression is that for the kind of player he is, it would be really valuable for that attribute to be at a great value, but i just see him as 'good', he has vision and is very intelligent at picking through passes, but isn't that precise yet in my opinion.
i don't like posting a set when someone else has already posted a set with explanations, but i think there are some key qualities that deserve a bit more recognition and higher ratings, so i checked with jurgens first to know if he minded whether i commented with my own interpretation of a De Jong set; he told me he didn't mind.
i was planning on watching some ajax matches and confirming these impressions i have thoroughly, because a suggestion like 99 ds needs justification. since there's already a thread and interest in de jong though, it would save time just to share these notes and know what everyone else thinks.
personally i think 99 ds is fair, and ds is what the set should be built around. any thoughts?
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