Dennis Bergkamp | 1996-1999 | 2002-2006


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Dennis Bergkamp | 1996-1999 | 2002-2006

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 00:27

Nickname: "Dennis The Menace" | "The Iceman" | "The Non-flying Dutchman"

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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Classical » 2009 Jan 12, 13:27

Vandeach wrote:
Gammergq wrote:His long and short range passing accuracy at least should be 95. Bergkamp was a master of playing that killer ball long or short Rodney Marsh once said he was the third greatest passer he ever sore in the English leauge after Johnny Haynes and Glenn Hoddle.



I agree possibly with a slight raise but not to the extent you suggested. I think TW could actually be 95 or even 96 his ability to pick out team-mates with fantastic passes was phenomenal it seems stupid for a striker but Bergkamp was something completely different. I'd also like to drop SA by1 to 89 as I just feel it fits better with players nowadays.



One thing and correct me if I'm wrong. Technique 98? I think he was amazingly smart while playing. But I'm not sure if it is technique the correct parameter to emmulate that inteligence. This because he wasn't as gifted in technical terms asCruyff, for example(both have 98). Or more than Roberto Baggio (who has 96). I think his technique is somewhere around 96

he could have *centre and *tactical dribble tough
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 12, 17:53

I seriously can't believe you suggested that Bergkamp's touch was quite simply phenomenal I feel its an insult to have him on par with Ibrahimovic there where many people(admitidly a few where 'fanboys') that wanted his Technique at 99 and that doesn't put me off entirely his touch was perfection in my opinion I'm pretty sure he's better than Ronaldinho who also sits on a 98
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby mr paul » 2009 Jan 14, 19:14

His technique was great, 98 seems right cause it wasn't as good as zidanes in my opinion.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Mav42 » 2009 Feb 26, 00:29

Bergkamp's technique has to be 99 in my opinion.

We are talking about a man whose best goals are defined almost entirely by the touches he took to maneuver himself into, in many cases, a tap-in position.

That Newcastle goal was one of the most sublime pieces of technique I've ever witnessed. It is art.

And look at the sheer number of chips and dinks he scored. I know on here that goes to shot technique, but in reality it's down to the same ability that allowed him to control a ball so beautifully. Sheer technique.

He may have looked marginally sub-par to Zidane but I would point out that strikers are unavoidably more hurried and pressured on the ball, and - to take nothing away from Zidane here - don't have midfields/teams built around them, with players doing "donkey work"; grafting and running to give them space to turn and assess.

Indeed, I believe it is arguable that Bergkamp had an ever-so-slightly better touch than Zidane and, regardless of whether or not you agree, it's surely criminal to leave him languishing on 98 when there are plenty of the same opinion.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Mar 01, 05:14

The biggest insult is that you can get players like Garrincha, who didn't have as good trapping skills as Bergkamp on 98.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Uzair » 2009 Mar 14, 15:58

ya know, his ST could be 95.

and i actually agree to lowering SA by one point
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Mar 14, 16:15

Uzair wrote:ya know, his ST could be 95.

and i actually agree to lowering SA by one point


Agree absolutely!!! ST 95 at least. There are many proofs at youtube about this.Also, ATT is underrated imo.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Uzair » 2009 Mar 14, 16:28

i think SP could be 84. he could hit harder than 82 suggests.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Brezza » 2009 Mar 14, 16:38

So

Shot Accurary: 89
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 95

?
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Uzair » 2009 Mar 14, 23:40

Brezza wrote:So

Shot Accurary: 89
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 95

?


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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Mar 15, 10:38

Uzair wrote:
Brezza wrote:So

Shot Accurary: 89
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 95

?


Yeah Baby
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I dont' agree about SA, it should stay in orange area, agree with SP and ST. Imo he was one of the finest finishers in recent football history.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby CDDRodrigo » 2009 Mar 15, 14:17

Agree with 90, 84, 95 respectively. He was just brilliant.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Mar 15, 17:09

I don't agree to the Shot Technique suggestion, I mean he struck the ball incredibly and it was beautiful to watch but remembering he also has 98/99 I don't think it needs to be in the god region espicially if you keep SA orange he'll become far too lethal imo. Also what about Team-work 95 his team vision was by far the best I've ever seen for a striker and his eye for a pass was stunning this puts him level with present day Riquelme.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby ravlee » 2009 Mar 15, 17:15

Vandeach wrote:I don't agree to the Shot Technique suggestion, I mean he struck the ball incredibly and it was beautiful to watch but remembering he also has 98/99 I don't think it needs to be in the god region espicially if you keep SA orange he'll become far too lethal imo. Also what about Team-work 95 his team vision was by far the best I've ever seen for a striker and his eye for a pass was stunning this puts him level with present day Riquelme.


agee with ur ST and SA thingy .. but TW nah.. i think riquelme is "underrated" with 95 .. riquelme's vision is probably one of the best ever in the football history - i don't think that bergkamp and riquelme should be equal in that department, since 92 is already very high i'd say it should stay where it is
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Mar 15, 23:31

Imo, he really was a lethal weapon at the time and during all his career.I mean, except being reliable striker he was known of PM ability and vision, as you said.I have video of him on VHS, about his Ajax days, and I can just say that he was superhuman copmaring to his opponents in terms of speed, positioning, technique, SHOT... I'm sorry I can not provide you with this video, but youtube (Dennis Bergkamp best goals) should be enough.
In period 90-93 he played for Ajax in Eredivisie 91 match, scoring 75 goals.In Arsenal he simply was moved to SS (AMF) position and he was more trying to assist, which doesn't mean that he had lost his killer instinct.
Beside that his TW was something, too.Especially with Ljunberg he had great cooperation.They created many goals together, but still I think TW 92 is Ok.Maybe Ljunberg's 87 is underrated?Finally, what do you think about ATT increase?
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby tomi77 » 2009 May 17, 03:40

For Dennis Bergkam technique only MAX(99)!
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998/1999

Postby Uzair » 2009 Jul 31, 23:24

i'm gonna put this forward again:
SA - 89
SP - 84
ST - 95

i also want to suggest raising his DA a bit more. if DA is the ability to keep control of the ball whilst moving by taking many touches then i think Bergkamp was slighlty better than 92 at this. he may not have gone on mazy dribbles but when ever he did move with the ball it was with such control it was hard to take it off him.
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998-1999

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Aug 27, 13:09

Agree with you Ulises, except SA which must stay orange.
Vandeach initiated TW increase and I'm in for it. He was absolutely genious at this segment, especially cooperating with Ljungberg. I wouldn't mind even if you suggested 99 for his TW, as I mind for 92. I'm so sad that he is retired. :(



Have you seen it elsewhere? :?: ? :?:
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Re: Dennis BERGKAMP | 1998-1999

Postby s-cobar » 2009 Aug 27, 15:12

Sekularac wrote:Agree with you Ulises, except SA which must stay orange.
Vandeach initiated TW increase and I'm in for it. He was absolutely genious at this segment, especially cooperating with Ljungberg. I wouldn't mind even if you suggested 99 for his TW, as I mind for 92. I'm so sad that he is retired. :(


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