David Ginola | 1995-1999

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David Ginola | 1995-1999

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 11, 21:28

Nickname: "El Magnifico"

Club: Newcastle United (1995/1997) | Tottenham Hotspur (1997/1999)




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David Ginola brought a touch of magic to the Premier League , while playing for Spurs he was named PFA Player of the Year 1999. Ginola is considered by many in English Football as one of the best wingers of all time in the premiership due to his magical touch on the ball and his ability to get past players from any type of position. When he came up against a man, you knew the odds were always in favour of him coming away the ball, the other man housing a very rouged face.

Ginola was widely percieved as a show pony, and was the sort of player that managers nowadays would deem a luxury – the sort of player that may stand on the wing for 89 minutes, do nothing defensively, but then produce a moment of sheer brilliance to win the game.

A right footed winger, Ginola also played on the left as his technique was esquisite with either foot. At 6 feet 1 and of muscular build, he could’ve been mistaken for a traditional number 9 rather than than a winger, but this was probably the most extraordinary thing about him. His technique and acceleration meant he glided past players with ease, yet his strength meant he was able to hold the ball up well, and deal with the very physical English Premier League.

He didn't have an extraordinary goal record but scored some outstanding individual goals and set-up countless others.



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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jun 24, 18:55

- Updated Format/Cards etc

- Extended Era

- Updated Height/weight

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Defence: 38 Top Speed: 84 Acceleration: 86 Response: 78 Shot Power: 88 Mentality: 72.

Raised acceleration by due to Height/weight

Pretty lazy and awful defensively, response decrease as at times he would look completely invisible during the match. Just standing on the wing doing nothing before going on and beating 4 players in a row to win a game 8-)
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Fiddy » 2011 Apr 27, 21:15

wasn't he a bit more agile than that?
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Josh » 2011 Apr 27, 22:23

I think so, it could be knocked up 2 or 3 points. Mentality could be dropped as well, he was incredibly lazy, 68-69 imo.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Fiddy » 2011 Apr 27, 22:38

Yeah, a 85/86 would do the trick, also agree with the MENT reduce, and by the way, and thoughts on a +1 in STA and Cut Back Pass ?
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Josh » 2011 Apr 27, 22:40

Sounds good. :)
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Brezza » 2011 May 01, 15:11

Updated Defence 38>35, Stamina: 82>83, Agility: 83>85, and Mentality: 72>70

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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Yazid » 2012 Apr 05, 11:59

Acceleration could go up 1 as could DA, I rate him higher than Di Canio.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Brezza » 2012 Jul 19, 16:57

Updated and added to the database. Acc could arguably be higher, response lower. Strong physique but im guessing Konami gave him such low balance was becuase he was such a serial diver as the below video shows. I'll put him level with Ronaldo for now.


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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby reckless » 2012 Oct 17, 11:22

He would have made a great addition to France in 1998.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby reckless » 2012 Dec 04, 20:34

Agility 82? He was a very twisty dribbler, this video showcases it



I would say 87 at least if not 88, considering his height. I've never seen Cruyff make a run like this.

Acceleration should be 88-89, he was quick off the blocks.

Dribble Accuracy could be at 96, he was superior to Ryan Giggs in this regard.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby reckless » 2012 Dec 21, 16:40

He's too slow here.

He deserves higher top speed, around 86.

DS can also come up to 90. His pace on the ball was one of his main qualities.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Brezza » 2012 Dec 29, 17:19

Really? He did have a nice burst and decent pace on the ball like you say, but looked very catchable over longer distances. The set is like 95% konami and I'm pretty happy with it.. dropped DA back to 95 when comparing him to other players.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby reckless » 2013 Feb 01, 21:21



Here is a good video of him.

85 agility is too low. He was a very fluid mover. I suggest 88. Remember he is 6'1 and weighs 83kg.

DS could come up to 90-92. He didn't lose much speed on the ball at all.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby reckless » 2013 Feb 24, 17:20

I guess no one wants to update this.

His speed on the ball was higher than the likes of Ortega and Rivaldo.
He deserves TS of at least 84 and DS of 92-95. He didn't lose much speed at all on the ball.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby reckless » 2013 Mar 14, 13:17

I don't understand how his DA, agility, top speed and agility are worse than Savicevic.

IMO he was superior in all aspects.

He was better at getting past players and at better speeds.

This needs an update.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby Yazid » 2013 Mar 16, 15:48

Savicevic's DA was unreal, definitely above Ginola, Savicevic should be 97 DA at least, I'd say 98.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby frshmn » 2013 May 13, 23:49

reckless wrote:I don't understand how his DA, agility, top speed and agility are worse than Savicevic.

IMO he was superior in all aspects.

He was better at getting past players and at better speeds.

This needs an update.


While it's not necessarily always clear from the tone of my posts, I try not to speak in absolutes about stats because for all the discussion (or perhaps more fittingly at times, arguing!) done on the site, every value assigned to every stat is purely subjective. I will say, however, you're doing Savicevic a great injustice, not by comparing him to Ginola - an immensely talented player in his own right - but by stating outright that Ginola's superior in terms of agility, speed, and control. You're making out as though there's some great difference between the two of them when, in actuality, it's very hard to distinguish between the two of them.

I'm no expert on Savicevic - I watched him only a few times growing up and haven't gone over much footage since then - but even then I'm inclined to believe he's superior to Ginola in terms of DA, mind you, not by much. Ginola's probably got the upper hand in terms of AGI and TS but, again, it's not by much.
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Re: David GINOLA | 1995-1999

Postby reckless » 2013 May 14, 21:48

Madvillain wrote:
reckless wrote:I don't understand how his DA, agility, top speed and agility are worse than Savicevic.

IMO he was superior in all aspects.

He was better at getting past players and at better speeds.

This needs an update.


While it's not necessarily always clear from the tone of my posts, I try not to speak in absolutes about stats because for all the discussion (or perhaps more fittingly at times, arguing!) done on the site, every value assigned to every stat is purely subjective. I will say, however, you're doing Savicevic a great injustice, not by comparing him to Ginola - an immensely talented player in his own right - but by stating outright that Ginola's superior in terms of agility, speed, and control. You're making out as though there's some great difference between the two of them when, in actuality, it's very hard to distinguish between the two of them.

I'm no expert on Savicevic - I watched him only a few times growing up and haven't gone over much footage since then - but even then I'm inclined to believe he's superior to Ginola in terms of DA, mind you, not by much. Ginola's probably got the upper hand in terms of AGI and TS but, again, it's not by much.


Then why does Savicevic have higher DS, AGI and TS than Ginola. His DS is quite a bit higher.
Ginola really was one of those players who lost very little speed on the ball. He was also very fluid on the ball and make good changes of direction.

These are good values for Ginola:
DA - 96
Ball Control - 95

DS - 93
TS - 84
AGI - 88
BB - 85-86, he was a strong player but like Drogba he dived quite a bit.
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Re: David Ginola | 1995-1999

Postby frshmn » 2013 May 14, 22:12

Judging from your first line, I think your contention lies mainly with Savicevic's stats. I haven't exactly exhausted all the footage which is available of both players. Although, I think I may have been rash in posting what I did yesterday... It's honestly very hard for me to distinguish between both players in regards to those stats you've addressed, there's really not much separating the two of them.

For what it's worth, I actually like the changes you've proposed, apart from maybe BC, and that's not because he wasn't capable of it - I've seen him pull off some really jaw dropping traps before - but because I'm not necessarily sure whether he trapped difficult balls with the consistency which is denoted by a red TEC value. Personally, I'd have AGI at 84 and BB at 84, but those are only minor differences. I agree completely with the DA and DS values - as far as a dribbling hierarchy for all time Premiership players is concerned, Ginola is quite comfortably up there with the very best. As I said, I haven't exhausted the footage of Ginola which is available to me, but I know without a shadow of a doubt he's worthy of red DA. He's quite close to Kinkladze in terms of pure control, which says a lot.
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