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Hirving Lozano

Postby PES Stats Database » 2014 Oct 08, 00:22

Full Name: Hirving Rodrigo Lozano Bahena
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby soccermaniakk » 2015 Jun 04, 00:54

Finally got to see a full game of him in the u20 world cup and i must say hes the most talented player in the squad ,without a doubt hes really dangerous, looks like a an agile and fast player and Was always involved in attacks,might want to have smf as an option as well.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby Flash Boy » 2016 Jun 06, 02:55

Seems like a future star ..
Had a nice match today Against Uruguay
I liked his dribbling skills .
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby Ocrin » 2018 Mar 27, 14:48

This set probably needs an update. He's having a great season and a lots of stats look more or less underrated. DA looks like low 80s, both TS and ACC seem like they should be 3 points higher, his body control could sit at mid 80s too. DS could be like 4-5 points higher too.
His speed makes him a very dangerous player, looked a bit one-dimensional and "uncreative" when I watched him but he's definitely a threat on the ball.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby KeyserSoze » 2018 Mar 27, 15:19

He's also a substantially better shooter from mid-long range, for what I've seen of him like 3 or 4 times. Average ST, but with a interesting, sorta balanced combo of SA, KP and Swerve.

He has some Robbenesque traits in his style, just lacking a bit the DA of Robben.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby sunsaegnim » 2018 Jun 27, 04:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNdkVKjGnC0

Well, he had 17 goals and 8 assists in 29 games in the last Eredivisie and 2.6 keypasses per game (source: https://www.whoscored.com/Players/31851 ... ing-Lozano), i think he is a bit more dangerous than 75 in attack, maybe 78 or 79. Also, he seems to be faster with the ball than his actual set, i would give at least 85 to his dribble speed, his dribble too don't seem to be that sloppy (maybe 80?) but i think we need see more of him yet to suggest other changes. He had played most of the season as a winger, should be his main position i guess?


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found some vids of him against Groningen, Twente and Roda JC respectively:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hFOYi9uCYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDWtboGJxWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR2iVLwnXOU
His acceleration seems to be a bit higher too, 88 i would suggest, and he often takes indirect set pieces, his lps should be a least in 71 imo.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby Elivelton » 2018 Jun 28, 16:20

I`ve made some changes in my OF based on some people opinions plus some of my own personal changes, i tried to explain a little what i made, but most of it i forgot the reason.

General explanations:
His general danger, off-bal movement looked similar to what ive seen of players at this number, id also say his overall movement and decisions most of time looks intelligent, he doesnt look like a wasteful or dumb player to me <-- one of the comments earlier shows my impressions of him "one dimensional and uncreative", something another 78 attack player shows often. He lacks a little bit of agressiveness and better use of his dribbling/speed to be more dangerous on the ball.
A little bit of an upgrade in BB, dont remember the real reason, maybe its because he can resist challenges and protect the ball a little bit more than a 70 would, he`s better if he escapes the marker totally anyway.
DA and DS, he is way better than a high greens show, sometimes his control in close quarters are quite good but hes not that consistent, his DS is high level when he cares to use it at his full capacity.
Pumped up both his speed stats to high level, while he may not display it very often hes quite fast on long distances, some of these stats look similar to Pavon for direct comparison. He doesnt look like a player with big difference between TS and ACC.
Higher agility to replicate his nimble movements and quick turns.
Small upgrade in SPA, and a bigger upgrade in LPA, hes creates more chances by using his LPA, hes limited in his LPA *technique as he is more accurate when crossing while hes walking rather than running. He still low S`s at both passing stats, limited range and slow speeds, bumped up his LPS to a higher degree but still not greens.
SA and SP increased, based his shooting on Coutinho, his best shot is his low post with some power. Overall he is a little limited in his shot and send too many of them flying over the goal so i didnt changed his ST, little change in Curve as im not impressed by it, but maybe i underrated it.
Little increase in technique too, same thing as DA but with less quality. More like a random number than a precise here, but i think its close.
His TW may seen higher as his general supportive movements remember a little bit of willian to me. Maybe +1+2?
No changes in stars, with the upgrade in SA and SP i didnt add MS* as his best shots are near the goal, correct me if i`m wrong.
He also need one position at midfield either SM or AM as he plays this position at his NT. One of the formation specialist may answer right, i think it is SM, as Layun is on the other side.

Numbers i`m using:

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Attack: 78
Speed: 85
Acceleration: 89
Agility 88
DA: 82
DS: 85
SPA: 73
LPA: 76
LPS: 71
SA: 80
SP: 80
ST: 76
Curve: 73
Tech: 80
TW: 74
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby Houy » 2018 Jul 02, 21:18

Elivelton wrote:Small upgrade in SPA, and a bigger upgrade in LPA, hes creates more chances by using his LPA, hes limited in his LPA *technique as he is more accurate when crossing while hes walking rather than running. He still low S`s at both passing stats, limited range and slow speeds, bumped up his LPS to a higher degree but still not greens.
SA and SP increased, based his shooting on Coutinho, his best shot is his low post with some power. Overall he is a little limited in his shot and send too many of them flying over the goal so i didnt changed his ST, little change in Curve as im not impressed by it, but maybe i underrated it.

Elivelton wrote:Little increase in technique too, same thing as DA but with less quality. More like a random number than a precise here, but i think its close.

Elivelton wrote:His TW may seen higher as his general supportive movements remember a little bit of willian to me. Maybe +1+2?
No changes in stars, with the upgrade in SA and SP i didnt add MS* as his best shots are near the goal, correct me if i`m wrong.
He also need one position at midfield either SM or AM as he plays this position at his NT. One of the formation specialist may answer right, i think it is SM, as Layun is on the other side.

All spot on. His Default position is a WF/SM in PSV, he drops deep in midfield more than an attacker does. A little bump in TW is deserved, though supportive movement isn't a defining feature of his game he appears both in midfield and centrally often to follow the game.

About his shooting, there's tons of example in the vids below of him failing shots and i wouldn't say bad ST is the main cause necessarily. Some of his better placements are from difficult positions or not at full control, he just looks kinda inconsistent. He's good at aiming for corners but i don't see him as proficient in his placement as an 80+ finisher. Paired with his inconsistency i think 80 would be accurate. Also i don't see his shots are defined by power as much, i think 79 is enough.

Elivelton wrote:General explanations:
His general danger, off-bal movement looked similar to what ive seen of players at this number, id also say his overall movement and decisions most of time looks intelligent, he doesnt look like a wasteful or dumb player to me <-- one of the comments earlier shows my impressions of him "one dimensional and uncreative", something another 78 attack player shows often. He lacks a little bit of agressiveness and better use of his dribbling/speed to be more dangerous on the ball.
A little bit of an upgrade in BB, dont remember the real reason, maybe its because he can resist challenges and protect the ball a little bit more than a 70 would, he`s better if he escapes the marker totally anyway.
DA and DS, he is way better than a high greens show, sometimes his control in close quarters are quite good but hes not that consistent, his DS is high level when he cares to use it at his full capacity.
Pumped up both his speed stats to high level, while he may not display it very often hes quite fast on long distances, some of these stats look similar to Pavon for direct comparison. He doesnt look like a player with big difference between TS and ACC.
Higher agility to replicate his nimble movements and quick turns.


88 is right for his Agi. I have to disagree with raising BB though , also with the general consensus on him being so high for DS.

He flops over very very frequently, can't keep his balance when really contented with physically. As for DS, does anyone have any examples of near high 80s? I havn't seen a single example of him going over 85 considering he's at high 80s for TS, he's a solid 84 imo . On that last note, i wouldn't rate his TS so close to 90. I think he's more like an 87, maybe 88 at best. His acceleration though is excellent. I would place him at a solid 90 but could be as high as 92.

a few examples of his speed

http://youtu.be/mEZqemOUlwA?t=129

http://youtu.be/35vSacOiE-8?t=250

http://youtu.be/35vSacOiE-8?t=598


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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby Elivelton » 2018 Jul 06, 04:25

https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=71 DS
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=130 DS
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=142 TS
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=147 DS+ACC
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=229 ACC
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=250 ACC + TS
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=317 DS
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=427 TS?
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=493 DS
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=555 DS
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=569 TS + ACC
https://youtu.be/S_GGdAiYk-8?t=613 you know...

I tried to highlight some of his moments that caught my attention, probably everyone who watched the videos of Huoy have seen most of it.

In the end there is quite a big gap in the range Lozano uses of TS and ACC, specially TS, sometimes it seems he can go way more than he uses but he can reach considerable levels of speed, ACC is also very inconsistent sometimes it looks high sometimes not, not sure if its because of his Stamina levels or not, 90s ACC is a very rare case.
Same thing with his DA, sometimes you can see a really good control, ball "glued" at his feet while doing high DS runs, sometimes his dribbling is heavy, sloppy, and he barelly can use his DS, ACC and AGI.
Arrows is the key here?

I don`t remember the rest of what i was gonna write.. :D
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby soccermaniakk » 2018 Sep 24, 00:55

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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby luiisitto2000 » 2018 Sep 25, 00:08

soccermaniakk wrote:https://youtu.be/AhEOQ1PGoss

Has Jordi lost speed?
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby duck23 » 2018 Sep 30, 17:00

I may be wrong but it looks like the camera angles make it looks like it. What happens is that the ball is going further from Alba and towards the direction that Lozano is running to, and Lozano's reaction to start the "sprint attack" to the ball seems a second earlier as well.
But it also shows that Hirving probably deserves a enhancement in TS, high yellows or maybe low orange possibly.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby Maty » 2018 Nov 14, 23:16

This guy needs an update :geek:
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby anOKguy » 2018 Dec 15, 15:16

https://youtu.be/D2Q0OKqiLxo?t=348 typical goal for him. Nice combo play in the midfield and then De Jong draws out one or two of the CBs and he sneaks into the vacated space. Intelligent player with a good amount of knowledge in how to exploit space, and in different ways as to not just become predictable.

This update was deserved and I can't see anything I don't agree with.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby JeffVR98 » 2018 Dec 15, 16:44

I find many values here spot on, but i disagree when it comes to rate his DA/DS, we all know how fast he can be and how capable he's to use his speed to the maximun.

But i think that his DA is over his DS even of he has fame for been a speedster, i noticed how capable he's to show an amazing control when he's dribbling people in tiny spaces using his da way over than his DS, obviusly those are few moments over his matches but i'm pretty confident that he's more efficent when it comes to dribbling using his DA rather than his DS, currently i'm using him with DA 83 DS 78, even with that 78 he's still because we all know how TS bost DS in old gen games and 88 is a high number.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby Ocrin » 2018 Dec 17, 00:10

I do agree his DA should be higher but not by much, probably 81 at most? Consistency-wise, I don't think he's better than that, but I agree that he's ceiling is higher.
He's a good dribbler that can occasionally take on players thanks to DA rather than DS but he relies much more on his speed in open space to make differences. I wouldn't go too high with dribbling values.

Another value I'd see higher is his aggression, he's probably around mid 80s, 86? It really struck me the first few times I watched him last season, dude was like a budget Salah.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jan 03, 05:41

Ocrin wrote:I do agree his DA should be higher but not by much, probably 81 at most? Consistency-wise, I don't think he's better than that, but I agree that he's ceiling is higher.
He's a good dribbler that can occasionally take on players thanks to DA rather than DS but he relies much more on his speed in open space to make differences. I wouldn't go too high with dribbling values.

Another value I'd see higher is his aggression, he's probably around mid 80s, 86? It really struck me the first few times I watched him last season, dude was like a budget Salah.

Yeah dribbling to 81 is definitely fair, I would rate him around 83 in a vacuum, but this is mostly off of seeing him beat second rate defenders. 81 DA and then 86 DS is a good reflection of him with the current speed stats. When I was watching him it was between doing that or going slightly slower speed with higher dribbling. I tested him at the high speed and high dribbling that he does show when not taken into account of the way he is to use then and it overpowered him too much. Since you did the speed stats higher I think the modest dribbling boost is well within the realm and has played nicely when I have used it. AGG 85 also has stood up to testing, but he will be making push for more if he keeps improving at the rate he does. Super fun player to watch as his movement is crisp and intelligent and he does have a little of that Salah feel to him.
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby furymaker » 2019 Jan 26, 19:31

his ATT and RES could possibly be higher, he reads the play really well, makes some intelligent off ball runs and is fast to attack loose balls and crosses
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Re: Hirving Lozano

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jan 27, 04:04

furymaker wrote:his ATT and RES could possibly be higher, he reads the play really well, makes some intelligent off ball runs and is fast to attack loose balls and crosses

Definitely, but mostly relying on a small sample size of WC and UCL games to try and use for him given the relative low quality of the Eredivisie. We got him at least up to close to what he’s at, but he very well can warrant higher, especially in RES.

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