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Mesut Özil

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 11, 14:48

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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Omer » 2009 Jan 17, 12:44

his stats should be updated.
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby PMC » 2009 Jan 17, 13:22

jmg721 wrote:1. I don't know why you are posting a whole set of stats...in a rush. Have some pride in your work.
2. You gave absolutely no reasoning for the values. You might as well wrote....TS (UP)/Bal(Down)
3. Please delete these as they are against the rules of the site.

Please Post suggestions with good reasoning. This is completely disrespectful to all stats makers and sets a negative presidence. I swear with you its 2 steps forward and then 2 steps back :(



if one's opinion differ HEAVILY from the 1st post in the thread I think a new set of stats is appropiate... if the german mods disagree we can still delete it but I'd keep it for now
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 17, 13:24

that he's weaker than 1st post

Balance: 78 => 74


he can last longer than 1st post

Stamina: 80 => 81


he's a lot faster than 1st post imo.

Speed: 83 => 87
Acceleration: 82 => 84


better dribbler.

Dribble Accuracy: 82 => 83
Dribble Speed: 81 => 84

more accurate passes, not essentially faster.

Short Pass Accuracy: 81 => 83
Long Pass Accuracy: 80 =>
81

slightly better shot technique.

Shot Technique: 72 => 73


better free kicks and more swerve for crosses and free kicks.

Free Kick Accuracy: 76 => 77
Swerve: 79 => 81


higher aggression so he can get forward more.

Aggression: 78 => 79


lower teamwork as he's more selfish.

Team Work: 82 => 80


suggestions then, happy?
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 17, 13:33

WOW!! You just wrote the same things in a different way. I really don't know what to do with you. I don't think you are learning impaired...but you aren't showing me that you aren't.

Is his bal really worse than Modric. Is his speed as good as mutu and faster than others. And if he is so selfish, why did you go with an 80, which is very high still for a 19 yr old.

Just as examples of how to DISCUSS stats. Seriously do you not understand what this site is for?!? :shock:
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 17, 13:40

jmg721 wrote:WOW!! You just wrote the same things in a different way. I really don't know what to do with you. I don't think you are learning impaired...but you aren't showing me that you aren't.


YOU'RE SO LINEAR.

jmg721 wrote:Is his bal really worse than Modric.


yeah he's weaker than modric imo, but they've never paired off because, they don't play together, he is weak. couild you get a bundi player to compare between?

jmg721 wrote:Is his speed as good as mutu and faster than others.


Yeah I'd say it is, he's got a great burst of speed...

And if he is so selfish, why did you go with an 80, which is very high still for a 19 yr old.[/quote]

where'd I say SO selfish, he is selfish at times but most wingers are... he's good at connecting with his team and working with them but 82 is overating it imo.

jmg721 wrote:Just as examples of how to DISCUSS stats. Seriously do you not understand what this stat is for?!? :shock:


what stat?
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Omer » 2009 Jan 17, 20:14

his balance is overrated.. he is fuckin weak
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby PMC » 2009 Jan 17, 20:20

don't be a crybaby paddy... I said that its okay to keep the stats up :roll:
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 17, 21:19

Paddy wrote:yeah he's weaker than modric imo, but they've never paired off because, they don't play together, he is weak. could you get a bundi player to compare between?

That is not my job...that is for you to compare and explain. I was trying help you explain your stats, and you just analyzed my analysis. I don't know this player, but I can't trust your stats if you don't show a clear understanding of how he fits in the ladders of the BuLi and Globally. I know you always take the "trust me, I've thought this through approach" But that just doesn't fly with me, because I'm still not convinced you aren't choosing values w/o fully evaluating them.

If I were a lord, you would be limited to 10 posts a day, so that you would make the most out of them ;)
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby CHRI$ » 2009 Jan 18, 09:38

@ Paddy
You defo haven't got any clue about statmaking. When I looked at your explanation why he should get higher aggression I wasn't surprised. Also giving him SPA 83 is wrong as well. He's 19 & still not as good as you want to have him.

Soon you'll get a comparison between him & Hunt.
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 18, 12:03

Chris, he is a great short passer, why weren't you suprised about the aggression being raised, he goes forward a lot, and maybe even 79 is underating the value of how much he goes up.

BEING 19 DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY WORSE A PLAYER!

considering you only disagree with 2 why are you moaning?
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Mariner » 2009 Jan 18, 12:50

I actually don't think his SPA/LPA is that great already. Low greens for passing is fair for Özil imo.
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 18, 13:02

what do you think about the other suggestions then?
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby jorgebolano » 2009 Jan 22, 13:32

I disagree with some, but agree with others.

Balance can really go down, although I think a white value might be too harsh. 75 seems just about right to me.

The Stamina suggestion is fine to me, but the suggested Top Speed would overrate him. 84, 85 is what comes to my mind, but the latter should be the absolute maximum to give Özil as of now.

DS should be higher than DA, but DA has not necessarily to be raised, so I disagree with Paddy's suggestion. DS can go up though. I'd rather give 83, but I can't say that 84 would be totally wrong.

No need to raise his SPA and LPA. These have already been rated rather generous in my opinion. No need for Playmaking either, now that I'm talking about his passing. The Playmaking star is likely to be my biggest disagreement with the first post along with Team Work.

FK Acc and Swerve can get the little raises proposed by Paddy, but especially with FK Acc this is not a must.

Aggression should even go up into the low 80's, as Özil really has some kinda drive to go forward.

Team Work has been way too high and it would be still way too high had somebody applied Paddy's suggestion to the 1st post. In my opinion, it's around 74-75, but definitely not higher. Özil is a selfish guy and, well, considering the fact that his passing is not phenomenal, I can see why he prefers to dribble about to giving the ball away with a pass, be it to one of his teammates or an opponent. :P

WFA really has to go up. 6 can be given without worries. I even have him in for a possible 7 in the future, but I have to keep my eye on him, so that I can be really sure about it, before giving such a high value. WFF can be increased to 6 as well.

Also be sure to think about giving him *Outside. He has it in my file and it doesn't seem to make him act unrealistic, just the opposite.
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 22, 18:00

Thanks for your input JB. I did notice that you guys like to give out *outside more than the PSD people. When I came on here I learned that *Outside & *Playmaking were rarely given out. I have never really learned when it is okay to apply *outside though.

So basically for the most part Paddy was on the right track with his update, but his values weren't inline with the rest of the site. That was my main point I was trying to make. But with explanations like "Yeah I'd say it is, he's got a great burst of speed..." really didn't allow for much discussion :roll:

Now before Paddy makes a comment like....well JB didn't explain any better...or something like that. Let it be known that it is rarely lately that stats makers of JB's quality are generous enough to give us their thoughts. So if you do disagree with his values I hope you will do it with class, and good arguements 8-)
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Mar 10, 09:27

Updated with JB's suggestions ;)
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby Heui » 2009 Mar 10, 14:46

thanks I missed to update him ;)
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Re: Mesut ÖZIL

Postby bjk_melo_151 » 2009 Apr 02, 12:51

His surname is ÖZİL. Turkish letters have İ.
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Re: Mesut ÖZİL

Postby Heui » 2009 Apr 12, 22:50

Here's my update on him

Positions: *CMF, SMF, AMF

Attack: 76
Defence: 51
Balance: 76
Stamina: 83
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 85
Response: 79
Agility: 83
Dribble Accuracy: 81
Dribble Speed: 83
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Acc.: 76
Long Pass Speed:77
Shot Accuracy: 74
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 78
Free Kick Accuracy: 73
Curling: 80
Header: 69
Jump: 73
Technique: 82
Aggression: 82
Mentality: 72
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 76

Injury Tolerance: B
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 5
Condition/Fitness: 6

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btw. I just recognised he's only 4 days older than me :o
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Re: Mesut ÖZİL

Postby Paddy » 2009 Apr 12, 23:24

Would you not rate him as more agile than Hunt?

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