I think I recall we talked about him, I can only find the set you sent via PM - I thought I commented on it (but can't find my PM)..in that set you wanted higher AGL 77 , not lower
Truthfully, I think I mentioned it when we last discussed him, I find it kinda difficult to rate keepers - I don't have too much experience with it - and to make it more difficult I think he was a bit unorthodox..I found all the material/threads on this site posted by various members and I think I kinda get it...one of the recent posts I found was by Korinov that seems to sum up the current interpertation of Goalkeeper stats:
http://pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.p ... 00#p556904
Korinov wrote:We've never been sure what stats do for GKs, but we have somewhat of an overall picture.
We usually rate DEF regarding how solid a keeper is dealing with difficult situations, i.e. covering well his goal when shot from close distances, 1-on-1s, etc.
BB is overall strenght, how dominant a keeper is when dealing with aerial balls, specially in crowded or tough situations (corners, indirect FKs).
RES is reflexes, just that.
AGI... well, how agile a keeper is. Specially when diving to reach ground-level shots (many, many keepers with good reflexes have serious issues with this).
GKS is the key stat. It's mostly discussed as 'handling' but in truth it basically regulates a keeper's ability to do the right thing in every kind of situation he's presented with. In short, the higher the GKS, the better the GK will act within his physical limitations. This includes positioning and awareness on upcoming danger. GKS is the most important stat, the rest act mostly as enhancers.
TW is coordination with his defenders.
Guaita was given a high GKS rating because he is (or was) the kind of keeper with a very solid goalkeeping ability. He's been always prone to silly mistakes and concentration lapses, so the way to compensate for that is a low Ment value and also a very low Form, specially during last seasons where he's been probably not up to much (and yet... to say such a thing should require a complete analysis, I can put some work on a video compilation).
Completely trashing his set by giving him a bunch of low yellow values does not do him any justice.
When I was play testing Deyna stats, I also modded Tomaszewski (among others) to see what a different take on the set would play like, BTW I am not proposing the set just showing what I worked with;
- Spoiler: show
- Attack: 30
Top Speed: 68
Dribble Accuracy: 50
Dribble Speed: 49
Short Pass Accuracy: 55
Short Pass Speed: 58
Long Pass Accuracy: 64
Long Pass Speed: 65
Shot Accuracy: 42
Shot Power: 92
Shot Technique: 48
Free Kick Accuracy: 42
Keeper Skills: 89
Team Work: 75
Now first off the original set I think was serviceable in game and gave him that sort of erratic nature/style I was looking for... I know I went in some different directions from your PM suggestions and the above post (I lowered JMP even more
and upped Shot Power). I did not really notice him playing more true to real life, he was a bit different, but I dunno maybe it's just the game mechanics of PES 5 being wonky and 'arcade-like' - and maybe I just saw what I wanted to see
...Now the rest of the stats I did in following with how Goalkeeper stats work, supposedly, my reasoning was;
DEF : 1-1's when he tried to close down space I recall him being average to poor and do not really remember anything outstanding, BUT on the line just him vs a goal bound shot from close range he was ridiculous at times making saves with his legs or thighs (to me it seemed a great deal of fortune, he did not look like he knew where the ball was, but somehow just managed to do enough to keep it out), it was not even reactions just the ball being shot at him...I thought this more GKS...How he dealt with difficult situations?..I thought other keepers tended to do things in a more orthodox manner that calmed the defense when under siege, but to me Tomaszewski kinda created more chaos, with his defenders needing to fly in and clear - he perpetuated unsafe situations by strange decisions/actions - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3cwwdt
watch from 31:17 to 33:25 - it's a good microcosm of him, tyries to claim a CK completely missing it, then pulls out a crazy point blank save off a Facchetti header, then claims a cross nicely, then makes a fingertip reaction save off a low cross (in a weird manner, to me anyways), he's brilliant but all over the place.
BB : I didn't see him as very dominant of his area..I'm not sure.. you really think he needs more?
RES : I increased it, Szczesny is at 93 and I've seen a fair bit of him and reaction wise I can't make a distinction. I'm curious in the set you PM'd me a while back you had this at 87, do you think 90(93) is too much?
AGL : I do not recall him reaching low down to make saves, or at least anything that stands out, so I'm fine with lowering it, just does AGL influence double saves, or is that Mentality/Tenacity alone? As he pulled some double saves off well - he had this "bouncy" step, like a tennis player, always read to dart off to the sides.
GKS : I've seen it mentioned that the higher the stat it makes a keeper act like the pinnacle of goalkeeping movements (i.e. GKS 99 = Buffon), this is where I think Tomaszewski could be low, as he did not do the right thing in every situation, BUT the other bits the stat governs, like making saves and catching - he was really superb. If I swap DEF and GKS he would have 85 GKS, less than Hart? To me Hart acts like a regular/typical keeper but messes up sometimes, whilst Tomaszewski was this cocky keeper that pulled brilliant saves out of his ass, because half the time he could look amateur in his approach.
JMP : You gave him 77 in your set, looking at the ladders I guess low-end average value is okay...70 seems to be the bottom
Not sure he was that bad ... I just always precieved him not a "jumpy" keeper as he towered over every player in the 1970's.
MEN : I raised it a bit more than the set you sent my way, part of his nature, he saved Poland's bacon numerous times in tough spots...nothing seemed to phase him, almost conceding or indeed conceding a goal was just another day on the job, always seemed to play at a high level even when under the cosh.
TW : could be dropped to a bit more average 73-74.
Shot Power: I went back and increased it from a past drop, as I rewatched some bits of him and this stood out again, he bombed it way past the half way line way more than other keepers of the time seemed to do...I guess it was not focused and I don't recall it being something that ever resulted in an actual goal..87-88 I'm okay with.
I'm open to another interpertation, as I said I don't know how to really rate keepers well - just give me what and why.
Also all those little changes you had in speed, acc, passing etc. would you like me to incorporate them? I don't see anything overtly off and could be made to first post... maybe ACC might be a bit much at 67 - like I stated his 1-1 closing down I thought lacking.
NOTE ppl using him in next gen PES games, if you got a stat/card for a keeper who makes good long throws that generate counter attacks, give it this guy, it was decent ability of his.