here's 2 main reasons i don't think he deserves over 90. For one, it's one of those things where i believe it's necessary some observation time, if you notice arteta, alonso or pirlo are slightly older then sahin,
Old PSD mentality. We don't rate players based on their age, we rate them based on what they show.
Sahin on the other hand had a good moment of form, he gave us a taste of what he could do, but then he came to madrid and his form was so bad mourinho couldn't trust him
Not true at all, his passing was far from bad. And I'm gonna do the same thing I did last time. One search, first vid that comes up, all passes from that vid which are diffuclt.
okay... he made one diffuclt pass in the whole match:lol:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2E1ebByKU&t=2m3s
As I said before, you could still see when he made the off diffuclt pass in madrid you could tell hes still the exact same in it.
I can't be bothered to look for more. But his passing accuracy was 88% in the few matches he played, so that "his form was so bad mourinho couldn't trust him" has nothing to do with his passing. And no he wasn't so bad. That wasn't the case at all. He was injured for a large part of the season. He plays in the same role as Alonso. Who speaks spanish, is absolutly essential to madrids play, one of mourinhos most trusted players. Not to mention if Mourinho has star player, he plays star players.. hes never cared much about rising talents. So Sahin didn't play. When he did play, he was average, made a few good passes but thats about it.
Curiously enough, for 2010/2011 sahin only got 165 out of 265 long passes to reach their target..about 62%.
Where are you getting these statistics? I would love to see them. Statistics are all fine and well, but they don't tell you many things. A) was the pass on target but was intercepted, B) was the pass on target but the player was too slow to get it, c) was the pass on target but failed to reach it etc. All of these do not mean the pass was a bad pass or off target, so the statistic means little.
Also for a player like Sahin, who plays extremely diffuclt balls, through balls, wing switching balls, lobber through balls etc etc in a vast variety of ways, 62% is an amazing ratio. How is that supposed to be bad? And as I said, theres many things these statics don't tell you, the actual number could be 80% for all these statics tell you. I just can't fathom how you think 62% of long balls for sahin is bad... who do you think he is.. Pirlo with his 98 LPA?
It's funny how in that video you posted he only missed one attempt out of 10 or so, that's a 90% success rate right?
Out of the diffuclt passes, about 90%. However that are rushed or intercepted or misread by reciving members, these would probably give him about 80%+.
Cop out of an argument, dismissive. It's what people always fall back on when actual evidence is provided.. and why? "lol youtube vids can put some reality behind my statistics, so I'll just say "lol youtube vids are ammaturish" Yeah good one. Way to dismiss actual evidence so your argument is essentially an unvarifiable hypothesis. What if I went through some of my match collection and posted more passes? What would you say then, more bullshit excuses? Well, I'm not gonna do that because I don't want to waste time on such shit when actual evidence is sitting right in front of me, made for exactly what we are discussing.
Only his best games will be posted, his "red arrow" days, noone would bother posting a video of an average game
Another cop out, well done. Red arrow day, yeah of course. When provided with actual evidence, ignore it and use the old "form" argument to invalidated all points that aren't the same as yours.
What you say isn't true at all anyways, many people make matches videos for every single match a player plays. Hell, even multiple people make the same video for the same match, regardless if it was average or not. Nuri Sahin had a dedicated youtuber making vids for him in the past, but unfortunately it was closed for copyright material or something like that. Many of his videos are reuploaded.
But it's amazing how in the random 35% games you watched he was world-class in all of them, i myself can't say i've watched more than 35% either and yet i've seen a couple of ones where he wasn't.
I didn't say he was world class in every single game. What I said was "And there wasn't a single game where he didn't demonstrate his world class passing ability." Which is true. Does that mean he didn' miss place some passes? No it doesn't. It simply he means the passing quality his displayed was world class, the types of passes he made, where of very high quality... I say that instead "of the highest quality" because Pirlo exists.
how about Pirlo? 84% i think. Even the adveturous and technicaly chalenged Alonso managed 78% success rate. They simply have a consistency that sahin didn't.
No one comapres to Pirlo as he is other worldy. And sahin doesn't compare to him either, being 7 points lower.. and 3 red points. And as I said, Alonso is not an adventours passer, though more so this season. Hes a much, much more conservative passer than Sahin. Sahin probably tries 5 diffuclt balls before he plays a single one. Of course hes going to have a higher success rate. Statistics tell you little about the pass. Not to mention, hes 4 points below Alonso and 1 red.. lets not forget the 11+ LPS and 3 reds that Alonso has on him.