Duncan Edwards | 1955-1958


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Duncan Edwards | 1955-1958

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 10, 17:13

Nickname: "Big Dunc" |"The Tank" |"Boom Boom"

Club: Manchester United



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Duncan Edwards (1 October 1936 – 21 February 1958) was an English footballer who played for Manchester United and the England national team. He was one of the Busby Babes, the young United team formed under manager Matt Busby in the mid 1950s, and one of eight players who died as a result of the Munich air disaster.

There is limited footage of him, but Whoever played with him and who saw him play say that he was the best player they ever saw.

Bobby Charlton described him as "the only player that made me feel inferior."

Terry Venables claimed that, had he lived, it would have been Edwards, not Bobby Moore, who lifted the World Cup trophy as England captain in 1966. Tommy Docherty stated that "there is no doubt in my mind that Duncan would have become the greatest player ever. Not just in British football, with United and England, but the best in the world. George Best was something special, as was Pele and Maradona, but in my mind Duncan was much better in terms of all-round ability and skill."

Don Revie said "You don't hear many professionals talk lightly of greatness because it is so rare, but that is what I saw in Duncan Edwards the first time I set eyes on him. He reached the same fabulous standard at left-half, centre-half, inside-left and centre-forward. He is the kind of player managers dream about."

"Duncan could do anything. If the goalkeeper kicked the ball downfield, he would be heading it, if there was a corner kick he would be knocking the ball in, and if someone was running through he would be the one to dispossess him. So many times he made the rest of us feel like pygmies."


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First Division, 1955-56, 1956-57

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Looking at the stats:

Positions: Could play anywhere on the pitch, attacking playmaker, authorative midfield General and a fantastic defender with great positional sense.

Physical Attributes: One of the first real athletes in the game. Largely built but was said to possess limitless stamima, good pace and great strength. some people who saw Edwards say Wayne Rooney remind them of him in terms of build and how quick he is for his size. He was basically a Tank

Dribbling: was said to possess superb ball control.

Heading/Jumping: was rated as 'great in the air' especially winning the ball in the air from defensive positions

Passing: was rated as a "fine passer" that could hit a 70 yard pass with ease, though I'll give Charlton the benefit of better passing overall.

Shooting: was always well regarded for having an accurate and "fierce" or "powerful" shot

Mentality: ran and chased players down like a gazelle. brave determined and a great leader. Many expected him to become England captain in front of Bobby Moore if it wasn't for his untimely demise

Teamwork: The complete Teamplayer.


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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Edwards

http://www.duncan-edwards.co.uk/index.asp

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... atest.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 78480.html

http://www.manchesterunited.co.uk/duncanedwards.html

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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby UTDFAN94 » 2009 Apr 07, 11:01

maybe a slight increase in DS
maybe its just his power but in some videos it looks like he just flew past em
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby Immanuel Kantona » 2009 May 26, 14:34

I know he was great but there's no way his shot should be that good. He scored 6 goals in all seasons but one (when he scored 3) after his first two seasons (when he didn't score). His SA and ST should both be around the 76-79 range, and with his power and *middle shooting he'll be more like he was in real life: spectacular but no Gerrard/Lampard goalscorer.

From the looks of what footage there is I'd say his dribble accuracy should go to about 85-86 and the DS should be up around that level too.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Aug 12, 08:42

Does someone of you have Edwards in your OF? I have him, and he is overrated for sure. He easily wins every duel in midfield, no matter against which opponent. For Edwards with this stats, Redondo, Vieira, Guardiola, Deschamps....(and other classic CMFs and DMFs) feel like kids :) . And with this high ATT/DEF + DA,DS he is too dangerous in attack and wall when defending.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby sencesor » 2009 Aug 12, 15:24

Sekularac wrote:Does someone of you have Edwards in your OF? I have him, and he is overrated for sure. He easily wins every duel in midfield, no matter against which opponent. For Edwards with this stats, Redondo, Vieira, Guardiola, Deschamps....(and other classic CMFs and DMFs) feel like kids :) . And with this high ATT/DEF + DA,DS he is too dangerous in attack and wall when defending.


I have him, don't know whether or not he is overrated, but I agree that with these stats he's overall much better than any of the players mentioned, only one that's in he's calibar is Rijkaard (very semilar), both of them are currently the best 2 DMF's in the D.B. without a doubt imo.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby Fides » 2009 Aug 12, 15:32

I think his ATT and DEF are a bit overrated. He looks to be comfortable in every position simply because of his superior ability. His goalrecord doesnt seem impressive enough to warrant an over 80 rating for ATT.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby Brezza » 2009 Aug 13, 16:11

Went overboard on attack/defence and so ive lowered it. Tweaked passing as well


Sekularac wrote:Does someone of you have Edwards in your OF? I have him, and he is overrated for sure. He easily wins every duel in midfield, no matter against which opponent. For Edwards with this stats, Redondo, Vieira, Guardiola, Deschamps....(and other classic CMFs and DMFs) feel like kids :) . And with this high ATT/DEF + DA,DS he is too dangerous in attack and wall when defending.


I doubt he treats Viera like a kid :lol: But I wouldnt compare him with Redondo and Guardiola, different kind of players, they were more technical deep playmakers Edwards was a destroyer powerhouse with great all round ability like Rijkaard or Bozsik.
Defence could be lowered even further but I don’t think his positional sense was worse than someone like Dechamps considering he played comfortably in defence from time to time seen in that video I posted of the 57 cup final 8-)

Sekularac wrote:I have him, don't know whether or not he is overrated, but I agree that with these stats he's overall much better than any of the players mentioned, only one that's in he's calibar is Rijkaard (very semilar), both of them are currently the best 2 DMF's in the D.B. without a doubt imo.


They likely were the best DM’s ever along with Matthaus. I think Matthaus era is wrong on this site, played more of a DMF/sweeper in the early 90's and was brilliant at it. IMO if Edwards had developed even further he would of been England's Beckenbaur, just stronger
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Sep 24, 10:24

Height: 180 cm
Weight: 79 kg

Source: http://www.manchesterunited.co.uk/duncanedwards.html
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Feb 01, 16:07

Good work on his update, Brezza.

I've just changed Weight from 80 to 79 kg (according to site ^^), added a few Additional Links and his Nicknames.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby LiamwPk » 2010 Aug 14, 14:21

Apparently he was just as accurate with his left foot as with his right foot :shock:

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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby patrick88 » 2011 Jan 30, 21:34

might be stating the obvious somewhat, but you have the age range for these stats as 20-23, which would be a neat trick as edwards died at the age of 21
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby Yazid » 2012 Apr 17, 10:05

Can someone update big dunc to the new standards? John Charles has 93 Att, 85 Def, so edwards should probably be about 84-85 att, 94 def?
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby Keaty22 » 2012 Jul 31, 18:36

Does anyone have any ideas for new standards?
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby steith » 2012 Jul 31, 18:58

had he not died was probably the best DM of the story
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955/1958

Postby steith » 2012 Jul 31, 19:01

Sekularac wrote:Does someone of you have Edwards in your OF? I have him, and he is overrated for sure. He easily wins every duel in midfield, no matter against which opponent. For Edwards with this stats, Redondo, Vieira, Guardiola, Deschamps....(and other classic CMFs and DMFs) feel like kids :) . And with this high ATT/DEF + DA,DS he is too dangerous in attack and wall when defending.

you are very wrong
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby Korinov » 2012 Aug 04, 17:45

No he's not. Set needs to be revamped.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby Keaty22 » 2012 Aug 08, 15:06

I've only watched the 57 cup final but i've got a few ideas:

WFA: 5/6
WFF: 8
Def: 86-88
Lpa: 80-84
DS: 78-80
Spa: 85/86
Sps: 85/86

He always uses his left foot but it is very hit and miss with accuracy. His defensive positioning was excellent, could even be higher, he was put into cb during this game and looked like an absolute natural. His long passes were very adventurous but very hit and miss with accuracy, but were hit at a very decent pace, i think a lower value of LPA and pinpoint pass will replicate him well. Also dribble speed, he had great close control but didn't move very fast with it. His short passing was very simple and when he tried to play a 'hollywood pass' it wouldn't happen.

These are only my initial thoughts, feedback would be great.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby Keaty22 » 2012 Aug 08, 21:16

Keaty22 wrote:I've only watched the 57 cup final but i've got a few ideas:

WFA: 5/6
WFF: 8
Def: 86-88
Lpa: 80-84
DS: 78-80
Spa: 85/86
Sps: 85/86

He always uses his left foot but it is very hit and miss with accuracy. His defensive positioning was excellent, could even be higher, he was put into cb during this game and looked like an absolute natural. His long passes were very adventurous but very hit and miss with accuracy, but were hit at a very decent pace, i think a lower value of LPA and pinpoint pass will replicate him well. Also dribble speed, he had great close control but didn't move very fast with it. His short passing was very simple and when he tried to play a 'hollywood pass' it wouldn't happen.

These are only my initial thoughts, feedback would be great.


Sorry for double posting just wanted to post this as a bump of my final ideas.
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Re: Duncan EDWARDS | 1955-1958

Postby bitz » 2012 Aug 08, 21:24

I don't know the player, just wondering, was he already at his peak at 21 years?
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