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Shaun Wright-Phillips, Phoenix Rising FC

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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 14, 11:29

I think mentality could do with a raise. He's quite commited to defending whenever his team gets caught out in the counterattack, and you can see he ran all the way back to his own goal to help his GK when Rooney nearly lobbed him

82 for mentality maybe?


and oh, is he THAT weak? Not trying to imply he is anywhere near strong, but I think 71/72 suits him better
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby jmg721 » 2008 Dec 14, 11:51

TheTrueSeto wrote:I think mentality could do with a raise. He's quite commited to defending whenever his team gets caught out in the counterattack, and you can see he ran all the way back to his own goal to help his GK when Rooney nearly lobbed him

82 for mentality maybe?


and oh, is he THAT weak? Not trying to imply he is anywhere near strong, but I think 71/72 suits him better

I think you are on the right track, but not totally sure about your values.

Balance: 69
Short Pass Accuracy: 73
Short Pass Speed: 72
Long Pass Accuracy: 72
Long Pass Speed: 71
Shot Power: 79
Curling: 70
Mentality: 78
Team Work: 76
I feel all of these stats are a bit low for the player that has been outstanding at Man City. Let's forget about his Chelsea form :P

Balance - in comparing him with guys in the Serie A, I think he is stonger in his tackles and/or goes to ground way less Mauro ESPOSITO, Giuseppe MASCARA , Giovinco. Especially considering how small he is, he will lose out on most challenges anyway. I wouldn't argue with above 73 in balance for him. Here are the other guys in the EPL with 73 Balance (i used the search function "Balance: 73" EPL). Damien DUFF, Kim DO-HEON, Fraizer CAMPBELL, Liam MILLER, David HEALY, Nathan PORRITT, ELANO Blumer, Emiliano INSUA, Fábio Paím.

I feel all the other stats, by looking at him play, they are obviously undervalued. His short passing is solid at worst. I wouldn't say that his LP was that bad. Especially lacking curl. His Def value isn't high, so it's fair to give him a generous mentality as he tracks back to win balls a decent amount. Shot Power...did anyone see his crackers this year...i.e. yesterday?
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby bitz » 2008 Dec 18, 23:39

On the previous forum we were discussing his SP. I share the opinion that it should be raised to 83/84. He can smack them when he wants. Who else agrees?
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 19, 03:03

I agree
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby S-J23 » 2008 Dec 20, 09:17

I actually don't think Petrov should be rated two points behind SWP and 4 points behind Agbonlahor when it comes to top speed.. my suggestion would be a swap between SWP and Petrov on the ladder..

SWP to 92 and Petrov to 94.. because indeed I think Petrov's exactly the type of pure and dire speed monster like Agbonlahor although not really that much speedy.. but I doubt SWP is faster than him..
SWP is again the case of steps frequency I am afraid.. I do not wanna bring up this cliché anymore but that's how I feel it is.. his pure speed isn't better than Lennon's or Robben's or Walcott's.. after Lennon's and Walcott's reduction to really, really fair and good values I suggest the same for SWP..

and at the same time I think Petrov should get the love and credit he deserves.. his speed is brutal and he would definitely beat those three small guys (SWP, Lennon and Walcott) at straight longer distance sprint because once he gets really rolling he is a demon.. but still he isn't exactly the same case as Cissé.. Petrov's speed is perhaps lower overall but his acceleration is better..

anyhow.. conclusion..

I suggest 94 top speed for Petrov
92 top speed for SWP..
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby bald777 » 2008 Dec 20, 12:21

he is definitely much better than his chelsea days suggest. i think we have seen enough of him at city this season to know his passing and mentality are better than this now (or maybe they always were since we actually get to see him play week in week out now).

suggestions:
spa 77-78
sps 80-81
lpa 75-76 (not great but still average for a winger of his class)
lps 80-81 (crossing still has some power, similar to richardson)
mentality 84 (definitely up there with palacios and brown)

thoughts??

also agree with raising his shot power.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby jmg721 » 2008 Dec 20, 12:33

Suggestions Recap:
Mentality: 82-84
Bal: 73
SP: 83/84
TS: 92
SPA: 77/78
SPS: 80/81
LPA: 75/76
LPS: 80/81

This seems like a necessary Updated.
I also think his Curl and TW can get a raise...not sure of a value though.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby Tom » 2008 Dec 20, 13:34

I'd have had his LPS even higher than the proposed value, I believe I mentioned something about this in the previous thread, he can fire his crosses in with some ferocity and can even perform long passes. The problem itself though is that he fires a lot of low crosses, and it is a wonder as to how we can make the COM do this with him.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 20, 13:38

jmg721 wrote:Suggestions Recap:
Mentality: 82-84
Bal: 73
SP: 83/84
TS: 92
SPA: 77/78
SPS: 80/81
LPA: 75/76
LPS: 80/81

This seems like a necessary Updated.
I also think his Curl and TW can get a raise...not sure of a value though.


I completely agree, other than the TS decrease. He completely and definitely deserves 94 for TS imo
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby S-J23 » 2008 Dec 20, 13:50

so you wanna say he is faster than Martin Petrov? or should be Petrov at 96 and Agbonlahor at 98?
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 20, 13:55

Yes, but that's just imo
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby Vandeach » 2008 Dec 20, 18:23

I feel shot power should be even higher maybe an 85 or an 86 value he has alot of ferocity in his shots.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby fishdalf » 2008 Dec 21, 09:11

I'd actually put it like this:

WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Top Speed: 93
Acceleration: 93

PETROV
Top Speed: 93
Acceleration: 94

Perhaps that's just me. =/
Pretty darn close if you ask me.

PS. I don't think his shot power should be any higher than 83, go look at the ladder.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby S-J23 » 2008 Dec 21, 14:56

that's exactly how I feel it isn't, fishdalf.. again this is exclusively my subjective opinion.. haha.. but the area where SWP has edge is exactly his explosiveness (acceleration) and agility.. but his pure speed isn't that frightening.. besides look at this ladder part which is updated!

94: Gael CLICHY, David ODONKOR, Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS, Luis Amaranto PEREA

93: Franck RIBÉRY, Mark GONZÁLEZ

92: Arjen ROBBEN, Theo WALCOTT, Patrice EVRA, Aaron LENNON, Victor Nsofor OBINNA, Rudolphe DOUALA, Obafemi MARTINS, Andrew JOHNSON, Craig BELLAMY, Martin PETROV, David SUAZO

91: Ryan BABEL, Bernard MENDY, Maris VERPAKOVSKIS, Vladimir BYSTROV, Quincy OWUSU-ABEYIE, KAKÁ


everyone at 94 has overally much more frightening top speed than SWP.. González is a bullet.. his acceleration isn't that superb but once he gets going he rolls.. like Cissé.. (Ribéry is imho overrated atm) and that's why I wanna suggest 92 for SWP as he absolutely fits among everyone else there.. and also showed 91 as those players there surely are comparable when it comes to overall speed..

Petrov is completely different game.. his acceleration is very good but his agility isn't that good.. so he isn't the same type of player who would like to pass defenders with this style.. (keep the ball and opposite player close and do some super quick movements) he likes to keep distance from every player when he is sprinting because he indeed is pure runner and he wouldn't be completely lost at spring race I dare to say..
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby fishdalf » 2008 Dec 21, 14:59

WRIGHT-PHILLIPS
Top Speed: 92
Acceleration: 94

PETROV
Top Speed: 93
Acceleration: 93

So you're suggesting something more like this?

Or leave Petrov the same and just drop SWP in TS.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby S-J23 » 2008 Dec 21, 15:03

fishdalf wrote:WRIGHT-PHILLIPS
Top Speed: 92
Acceleration: 94

PETROV
Top Speed: 93
Acceleration: 93

So you're suggesting something more like this?


yes, absolutely like that :oops:
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby fishdalf » 2008 Dec 21, 15:07

Hmm yeah i understand where you're coming from with Wright-Phillips actually, i really do. I'm trying to get it straight in my own mind whether Petrov deserves 93 or equal to SWP in acceleration. It's pretty darnc lose if you ask me.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby Paddy » 2008 Dec 21, 15:08

can we update everything but accel and top speed in the 1st post for now?

jmg721 wrote:Suggestions Recap:
Mentality: 82-84
Bal: 73
SP: 83/84
SPA: 77/78
SPS: 80/81
LPA: 75/76
LPS: 80/81

This seems like a necessary Updated.
I also think his Curl and TW can get a raise...not sure of a value though.
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Re: Shaun WRIGHT-PHILLIPS

Postby fishdalf » 2008 Dec 21, 15:09

Not until final numbers have been agreed. Most of them are x/x. It's just a simple case of settling on some numbers.

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