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All Time Europe All Stars

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Feb 20, 20:59

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Team Roster:

Goalkeepers:
_rus Lev YASHIN
_ita Dino ZOFF

Defenders:
_fra Lilian THURAM
_ita Paolo MALDINI
_eng Bobby MOORE
_ita Franco BARESI
_ger Paul BREITNER
_ita Giacinto FACCHETTI
_ger Franz BECKENBAUER

Midfielders:
_ned Frank RIJKAARD
_ger Lothar MATTHAUS
_fra Zinedine ZIDANE
_den Michael LAUDRUP
_fra Michel PLATINI
_ned Ruud GULLIT
_eng Bobby CHARLTON


Attackers:
_ned Johan CRUYFF
_nir George BEST
_por Cristiano RONALDO
_hun Ferenc PUSKÁS
_por EUSEBIO Da Silva Ferreira
_ned Marco VAN BASTEN
_ger Gerd MÜLLER

* * * * * * * * *
Reserves:

Goalkeepers:
_eng Gordon BANKS

Defenders:
_ita Gaetano SCIREA
_ita Alessandro NESTA

Midfielders:
_esp XAVI
_eng Stanley MATTHEWS
_srb Dragan DZAJIC
_rou Gheorghe HAGI

Attackers:
_ita Giuseppe MEAZZA
_ita Roberto BAGGIO

Best Ever XI:

----------------------YASHIN--------------------------
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------------------MOORE----BARESI-----------------
---THURAM-------------------------------MALDINI---
-------------------BECKENBAUER(c)-------------------
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----------CRUYFF-----PLATINI-----ZIDANE----------
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-----------------MULLER-----PUSKÁS -----------------

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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Overmars_27 » 2016 Apr 25, 18:10

Krol? Eusebio should be there instead of Muller.
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Moysís » 2016 Nov 12, 18:15

I don't think Hagi should be mentioned here among all these european legends from the last century.. IMO Laudrup and Hagi should be deleted from this list, it is enough to have three AMF in Zizou, Bobby and Platini.. Gai Scirea should be part of defence in any way, while Berti Vogts should be also removed from here.. his MEN and good luck to be part one of the greatest NT ever and one of most dominant club in 70's makes him in a eyes of population a legend, but he was just a good and reliable player. Ruud Krol is a choice for his place here for sure. It's needed a big overhaul over this thread in near future.
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Glavisted » 2016 Dec 14, 22:38

electric_trigger wrote:Cr7 instead of George Best? Really?

jurgens wrote:best is pretty widely regarded as being one of the top 3 wingers of all time.. ronaldo isn't even close to top 10

VReznoV wrote:It's only my opinion, I think the big difference between Best and Cristiano is their 'Effect for the Team'

I mean, when Best play, he play for the team
and that's make United, not only Best, can be better, even legend

In other side, when Cristiano play, team play for him
and that's make Ronaldo can be better easily, and Madrid never improved

So, I think Best better than Ronaldo.

The comparison between George Best and Cristiano Ronaldo also proposes the choice of a primary criterion, their peaks of performance or the prominences of their careers.

At his peak, I think Best was the most formidable of both at overall, but it should be noted that after his explosion he had a very early decline (just when he was 25-26 years) and in historical terms that should be quite disadvantageous. So it all depends on selection criterion.

Generally, I prefer the global analysis, although for this game it may make more sense to consider only their peaks because that's what their stats are based on.
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby simmo » 2016 Dec 19, 17:08

Just a note-if di stefano cant be european as he was born in argentina why does eusebio qualify despite being from mozambique. Trivial maybe but surely the same rule should apply to every player. Personally I wouldnt partner any combination of baresi beckenbauer and moore. All excellent but all had same weaknesses. Baresi and a quick, aerially dominant and powerful player would work better. Also needs a specialist DM rather than a box to box aggressive type or beckenbauer as most are picking. Its an underrated role and is crucial to any team.

My XI

Schmeichel-Maldini, Baresi, McGrath, Facchetti-Makelele-Beckham, Platini, Cruyff-van Basten, Best

Assuming Best can pass the club bar and Cruyff isnt spending all match arguing with the ref
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby mr.Boss » 2016 Dec 19, 17:41

With all the respect for the three gk's , i think that both Schemichel and Kahn are the best goalkeepers ever ( except the actual keepers , like Buffon and Neuer who are at least comparable ;) ) so i think that Schemichel and Kahn should be in the team ;) . Also , i can't see any reason for Henry not being in this team instead of Baggio , Figo or maybe Kubala ( with all the respect ) . Also , seeing that Yashin is there mostly because he is the only gk who has won the Ballon D'or (none of us has seen him playing) , why don't you add even a great CB of modern time like Cannavaro , instead of some old players ( we haven't seen much of them and surely players of the modern era are better in much aspects ) like Scirea , Moore or Vogts ? And the last suggestion , seeing that this team has much Amf's/Smf's , why don't you remove any of them (most likely Gullit or Matthews who with all the respect, doesn't really deserve to be there IMO ) for someone like Pirlo or Ryan Giggs ? The European All stars team that i use in my Pes ( surely without the actual players ) : Schemichel , Kahn , Yashin / Beckenbauer , Cannavaro , Baresi , Nesta , Puyol , Thuram , Maldini / Rijkaard , Pirlo , Matthäus , L.Suarez , Scholes , Giggs , Seedorf , Zidane , Platini , Best , Cruijff , Del Piero , Eusebio , Henry , Shevchenko , Puskás , Shearer and Müller . There are still some empty places for likes of : Gerrard , Charlton , Van Nistelrooy etc ...
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Maracanazo » 2016 Dec 19, 23:07

agree with Mr Boss, Schmeichel and Kahn better than Zoff and Yashin, they so amazing at Euro 92 and WC02
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Glavisted » 2016 Dec 20, 02:09

simmo wrote:Just a note-if di stefano cant be european as he was born in argentina why does eusebio qualify despite being from mozambique. Trivial maybe but surely the same rule should apply to every player.

I think it was explained in previous answers. The criterion on which the exclusion of Alfredo Di Stéfano was based not only indicated that he was born in another continent in current geographical terms, but also about he was international for Argentina (6 matches and winner of the Copa América on his short journey).

That makes a difference with the case of Eusébio, who was international only for Portugal and never played for Mozambique (his country has just existed formally since 1975, before that it was Portuguese territory, therefore, European).

simmo wrote:Personally I wouldnt partner any combination of baresi beckenbauer and moore. All excellent but all had same weaknesses. Baresi and a quick, aerially dominant and powerful player would work better. Also needs a specialist DM rather than a box to box aggressive type or beckenbauer as most are picking. Its an underrated role and is crucial to any team.

My XI

Schmeichel-Maldini, Baresi, McGrath, Facchetti-Makelele-Beckham, Platini, Cruyff-van Basten, Best

Assuming Best can pass the club bar and Cruyff isnt spending all match arguing with the ref

I can understand your point. In theory the most balanced tactics would recommend to Franco Baresi along a more powerful and aerially dominant centre-back than one of the type of excellent ball-playing with average speed as Bobby Moore, while Franz Beckenbauer doesn't fit into the profile of a classic anchor man in midfield, but I think the combination isn't meaningless if we take into account the adaptability of the 3 and that could be very functional in a system that prioritizes possession of the ball (that depends on how they confronts a rival and in this case there's no a specific one, it's only a representative lineup).

By the way, your election of Paul McGrath is interesting and quirky. Although he fits into the ideal profile that you explains, I feel his quality and prominence wasn't so high for an European dream team (even though I know some in England have him very well estimated).
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby simmo » 2016 Dec 21, 17:05

Had it not been for his knees and the fact that back then being 30+ was akin to being put out to stud McGrath may have got the big move he merited and more credit. He was always going to suffer being irish and at aston villa.
I love Beckenbauer and Moore. But I looked at potential opponents rather than just picking XI names and thought that a forward like Drogba would terrorise a defence without a McGrath like figure. I couldnt think of anyone better who had his attributes without other major weakness somewhere in their game. Stam? Desailly? Possibly. I just rate McGrath more consistent. Stam could be over aggressive and Desailly a little complacent at times
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Kahn1988 » 2017 Jun 09, 22:37

Pirlo and Xavi should be there. They represent the midfielders at the highest level in their generation.
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby jehoshuab » 2018 Aug 31, 21:59

i think we have to update this team,

BUFFON IN - ZOFF OUT
LAHM IN - VOGTS OUT
BREITNER IN - FACCHETTI OUT
PIRLO IN . RIJKAARD OUT
INIESTA IN - LAUDRUP OUT
BECKHAM IN - MATTHEWS OUT
CRISTIANO RONALDO IN - KUBALA OUT
BAGGIO IN - MULLER OUT

BEST ELEVEN

YASHIN
THURAM BECKENBAUER BARESI MALDINI
MATTHAUS
PLATINI ZIDANE CHARLTON
VAN BASTEN CRUYFF
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Suji » 2019 Feb 28, 04:43

GET INIESTA IN, GET INIESTA IN, GET INIESTAAAA INNNNNNN. LET'S PUT INIESTA INNNNNN. COM'ON BABY
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Valbuena1313 » 2019 Feb 28, 14:40

I suggest to add :

Paul Breitner
Andrea Pirlo
Andrés Iniesta
Jean-Pierre Papin

in the reserves.
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby AMC » 2019 Apr 24, 15:05

Did Breitner play RB much IRL? I ask only as Maldini, Facchetti and Breitner can all play LB, but Thuram is the only RB in the squad although Breitner can play both sides according to his stats.

I don't like current players in my classic teams so I'm thinking of adding in Vogts/Lahm to my squad in place of Cristiano Ronaldo as opposed to adding yet another striker.

Tactic wise I'm guessing Beckenbauer is a DMF (as opposed to a CMF), and Cruyff, Platini and Zidane are all AMFs (as opposed to CMFs)?
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby Moysís » 2019 May 01, 10:21

AMC wrote:Did Breitner play RB much IRL? I ask only as Maldini, Facchetti and Breitner can all play LB, but Thuram is the only RB in the squad although Breitner can play both sides according to his stats.


He could play both side as truly two-footed player, but almost all time he played on the left side as offensive sideback at that time in Bayern, since Johnny Hansen has played always as truly first choice on the position of right back. In NT during 70's Vogts ordinated on the right side so Breitner played all the way on the left side acting like LSB, LWB and LMF. So, you can determined him as left side player.
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Re: All Time Europe All Stars

Postby AMC » 2019 May 01, 10:28

Cheers mate, that's what I thought, same with Maldini he's right footed but always played on the left so he has left side listed and not both.

Now to decide between Vogts and Lahm as my backup right back to Thuram ha ha.

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