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Fixer wrote:No wonder there's a 'penetration' stat, all of them players look like rapists
MocaBG wrote:Because you are a nerd and have no life.
Shine691 wrote:Sure, but he plays those passes cause that's his role in the team and his playing style.
Fixer wrote:No wonder there's a 'penetration' stat, all of them players look like rapists
MocaBG wrote:Because you are a nerd and have no life.
the sloth wrote:I haven't seen Liverpool this season so won't comment on Allen's ability but (correct me if I'm wrong) there seems to be a lack of consistency in how people are rating passers.
Some people have decided that a person who plays "difficult passes" should get a higher ATK rating while others are saying that it should be higher SPA not even counting the Passer card which makes you play through balls i.e dangerous passes. I have always been a bit dubious about the way of PSD determining these things.
the sloth wrote:jurgens,
I do agree with you about high SPA in the hands of a human and I stated very similar things in the Pedro thread related to my testing. The issue that I have is mostly to do with the AI. I don't find that high SPA (85 and up) makes the AI play any more difficult passes than a lower (85 and below) SPA. Sure, you can do more with it as a human but it doesn't make the game play any more realistically against the AI.In the end, SPA is simply how much deviation there is with a pass compared to where it was supposed to go (see Pedro thread) which means that something else (ATK and cards) controls the decision making about where an AI controlled player decides to pass the ball. A player with low ATK will, in general, decide to play the ball more conservatively (and possibly struggle to break down the opposition defense) while high ATK will take riskier chances regardless of his abilities (and be more effective at breaking down the opposition). A player's position on the field, team style, and tactics also play a huge role in determining the AI decision making.
Allen seems like he is rated too highly in ATK for the type of passing and attacking vision that he has. PES 2013 has him at a 74 ATK which seems like a better value overall for a player who is not a genius attacker but is an excellent distributor who chooses high percentage safe passes over risky attacking ones.
Edited to clarify terminology.
Sure, you can do more with it as a human but it doesn't make the game play any more realistically against the AI.
n the end, SPA is simply how much deviation there is with a pass compared to where it was supposed to go (see Pedro thread) which means that something else (ATK and cards) controls the decision making about where an AI controlled player
decides to pass the ball. A
the sloth wrote:Agree but only if they are actually consistently completing those difficult passes not just because they are trying them. ATK should determine if they are trying the difficult passes, SPA determines a large part of if they succeed along with SPS.
vinnie wrote:the sloth wrote:Agree but only if they are actually consistently completing those difficult passes not just because they are trying them. ATK should determine if they are trying the difficult passes, SPA determines a large part of if they succeed along with SPS.
I kind of share the same view on the matter as this one. Sorry for the intrusion. But, I was watching a bit of the Roma game, the game where Defo decided the big passing stats needed to be boosted, and while he did make some magnificant passes, i also saw some sloppiness and imprecision. His Vision is obviously amazing, but does that warrant better passing? I mean, of the percentages of passes he completed, it's not like he can't make the passes he's made because of lower passing accuracy, just that fewer times his pass will work. Then, when he did make that really great pass to osvaldo for the goal, Defo went nuts (fan boy) and said that proves 99 SPA or something like that, inspecific i am at the moment, mind that, just lazy, but his passing deviation? not perfect, not godly. He has really really awesome vision, but from that one game (allow me to emphasize, i may be making a fool of myself, but of that one game, i saw that his passing accuracy didn't really prove to be much better then what it was pre-defo update. He can make that osvaldo pass, but just less often it'll work out. Btw, not really pointing anything at Defo, just using him as a reference point. And even if i'm wrong about Totti, which is an all too real possibility, as well Totti is a reference point, it can be applied broadly as well.
just my thoughts though, they're pretty darn abstract i'll agree... so don't make too much of them, this is my lunch break so yeaaah
Shine691 wrote:I'm happy keeping his SPA on 83. Any thoughts on a raise of his TW?
Also suggest a +1 DEF value and add position DMF.
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