René Houseman | 1973-1978


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René Houseman | 1973-1978

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Aug 04, 02:21

Club: Club Atlético Huracán

Growth type: Early peak


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René Orlando Houseman (born July 19, 1953 in La Banda, Santiago del Estero) is a retired Argentine footballer, who played as a right winger.

In his career he played for Defensores de Belgrano, Huracán, River Plate, Colo Colo (in Chile), Amazulu (in South Africa), Independiente and Excursionistas.

During his international career he also played for Argentina, and participated at the 1974 FIFA World Cup, where he scored three goals. His greatest achievement in football was being a member of the 1978 FIFA World Cup winning team (he came on as a substitute after 75 minutes in the World Cup Final). His career was cut short due to problems with alcoholism, with which he has been struggling for the last 20 years.

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Caps:
Argentina: 55 appearances / 13 goals

Club:
_arg 1971-1973 Defensores de Belgrano: 38 appearances / 16 goals
_arg 1973-1980 Huracán: 266 appearances / 108 goals
_arg 1981 River Plate: 12 appearances / 1 goals
_chi 1982 Colo Colo: 18 appearances / 3 goals
_arg 1983 Amazulu: 7 appearances / 3 goals
_arg 1984 Independiente: 3 appearances
_arg 1985 ExcursionistasL 1 appearances

Trophies & Tournaments:
_arg 1972 Primera C - Defensores de Belgrano
_arg 1973 Metropolitano Primera División Argentina - Huracán
_arg 1978 World Cup - Argentina
_arg 1984 Copa Libertadores - Independiente


VIDEOS:





ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Houseman

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Houseman

http://web.archive.org/web/200710200253 ... ugador=416

http://www.xenen.com.ar/vidarene.html

http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/wcwinners.html (1978 Argentina)

http://srb.worldfootball.net/spieler_pr ... -houseman/

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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1977-1978

Postby Il Codino » 2009 Sep 23, 14:31

Hi, thanks for the stats Milanista :)

Houseman was the best right wing of Argentine football. He never played as * SMF Rene was always forward. I think there are some skills that deserve a raise: Speed, Dribbling and Technique among other. But it's also true that in this era Houseman wasn't at the peak of his performance, his best time was in 1973/74.

My suggestions:

Dribble Accuracy: 87
Dribble Speed: 88

Houseman was a quintessential dribbler, deserves a better Dribble stats.

Technique: 85

It seems a fair value for a player like Houseman.

I reduce the value of Condition/Fitness to 4 because Rene was never physically disciplined by his lack of commitment nd alcoholism.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Sep 23, 18:02

My GOD! This is outregious Milanista, with no intention of disrespect, but, come on, one of the best Right Wingers for Argentina, along with Corbatta and with these stats he looks like a sub for Villareal, Malaga, Southampton or so...

Here´s my version of this genius, and I´ll explain every single stat by a long research I´ve done, from videos, forums, websites, articles, wikipedia, etc:


Rene HOUSEMAN l 1977-78

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Club: Huracán
Number: 7
Position: *WF/SS/CF
Nationality: Argentinean _arg
Age: 25

Foot: R
Side: R

Height: 1.65 m
Weight: 63 kg

Attack: 83 (Nice attack, he used to cover all attacking positions)
Defence: 41 (Not a SM at all, he was a pure winger)
Balance: 76 (Alltough small, quite hard to handle)
Stamina: 84 (Near enough)
Top Speed: 87 (He was fast really friggin' fast)
Acceleration: 90 (Lightning-like while running)
Response: 83 (A small rise, intelligent tricky player)
Agility: 87 (A very agile player, a menace while on the ball)
Dribble Accuracy: 92 (As Menotti and Babington said, a new trick every day)
Dribble Speed: 88 (really pacey tricks and runs)
Short Pass Accuracy: 84 (A good passer of the ball, especially on goals ocassions)
Short Pass Speed: 86
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 82
Shot Accuracy: 84 (Scored a lot of goals for a Winger)
Shot Power: 83 (Moderate)
Shot Technique: 85 ((He could smash in even a water melon with class)
Free Kick Accuracy: 81 (Not bad, not great)
Curling: 84 (Linked with his ST)
Header: 76 (A rather good header of the ball, considering height)
Jump: 88 (He could jump 70 cm from the grass, almost a meter, that's why he scored lots of headers)
Technique: 88 (A point below Gourcuff, could be even higher)
Aggression: 90 (Always tryin' to score)
Mentality: 77 (Could get tired easily and didn't think much keeping himself)
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 84 (Due to his assists, team-wise runs and passes)

Injury Tolerance: B (The average)
Condition/Fitness: 6 (Quite good for an alcoholic)
Weak Foot Accuracy: 8 (Amazingly two-footed)
Weak Foot Frequency: 7 (High freq. with his left)


SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Dribbling
*Tactical dribble
*Passing
*Reaction
*Side
*Outside
*1-1 Scoring

(I think the stats allready talks for the Special Abs.)

Think about it, Milanista, he's criminally underated in ur stats, not fair. ;)
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1977-1978

Postby Il Codino » 2009 Sep 23, 18:24

when I play PES my stats of Houseman are similar to those suggested Fevernova but I proposed lower values because I didn't want to overrate him :lol:

Houseman skills are better reflected in the suggestions of Fevernova
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Sep 23, 18:34

Thanks, he was also called "A strange mixture of Garrincha and Maradona", by Menotti.

I´ll make Corbatta soon, the best WF for Argetinean football of all times... ;)

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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1977-1978

Postby Milanista_99 » 2009 Sep 24, 02:06

Changed 1st post. Thanks for every suggestions. Waiting for stats of CORBATTA. :D and can you try on SANFILIPPO, MASANTONIO and BRINDISI stats. 8-)
Sorry for my bad English.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1977-1978

Postby julgui » 2010 Jun 20, 20:42

Suggest from: René HOUSEMAN

Nickname: El Loco (The Crazy), El Hueso (The Bone)

* Added picture into the first post.

Club: Huracán
Number: -
Position: WF*, SS
Age: 20-25 (19/09/1953)
Era: 1973-1978 (Was featured on the Huracan 73 champion as well as in the World Cup 74.).

Balance: 74 > 76 (Suggest Fevernova)
Agility: 87 > 89
Dribble Speed: 88 > 89 our 90
Team Work: 84 > 78

CARDS
S01 - Reaction
S05 - 1-touch Play
S06 - Outside curve
P05 - Trickster
P07 - Mazing Run
P12 - Incisive Run
*Dribbling
*Tactical dribble
*Side

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

DESCRIPTION OF YOUR GAME
One of them was Miguel Antonio Juárez, "El Gitano", ":" Lo de René is beyond all logic. Note that there are even those who seek to establish a parallel with Corbatta. And I, Juge with Oreste, we affirm that does not exist. Corbatta works with only one leg. Ryan does not know which of the two is best. Invent profiles that do not exist, dribbles the same with his right-handed, hits well and strong with both. Houseman is the only player who dribbles in the air. Yes, suspended in the air without touching the floor. No, do not laugh. Even admiring Pelé, René is more gifted individual. Craziest, coolest, most inventor with the ball. "
Diego Maradona has also been declared more than once Houseman fan, and a list of 100 best players of history, puts him in eighth position.

Caps
* Added all into the first post.

Club
* Added all into the first post.

Trophies & Tournaments:
* Added all into the first post.


VIDEOS:
* Added all into the first post.


ADDITIONAL LINK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Houseman

http://web.archive.org/web/200710200253 ... ugador=416

http://www.xenen.com.ar/vidarene.html
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jun 20, 23:31

Updated to fit new format. Applied suggestions made by julgui (most of the Fevernova's suggestions were already applied). Changes...

1. Changed his Era from 1977-1978 to 1973-1978. Added new picture. Removed *CF from secondary positions. Added numbers from 1974 and 1978 World Cup (1974: 11 | 1978: 9).

2. Balance: 74-->76; Agility: 87-->89; Dribble Speed: 88-->90; Team Work: 84-->80 (on Maradona's level).

3. Removed *Passing - As far as I understood he was much more about dribbling and scoring. Besides that he has pretty nice passing values, so I think *Passing is maybe pushing it too far. Added *1-Touch Pass.

Added new Cards: P05: Trickster, P07: Mazing Run, P12: Incisive Run, S01: Reaction, S05; 1-touch Play, S06: Outside Curve, S14: Quick Turn + Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded.

4. Added Growth type: Early peak. Fixed Info, added Videos and Additional Links. Added Fevernova, julgui and Il Codino into the credits.

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Maybe he could have more S Dribbling Cards, but I really can't put my finger on any other S Dribbling Card... Any suggestion about this subject is more then welcomed. ;)
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby lucardax5d » 2010 Nov 27, 19:09

Sorry, but I think you have to do a new update, as I think it is really necessary.

Name: René Orlando Houseman

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Club: Club Atlético Huracán
Number: 7 (11 at 1974 World Cup | 9 at 1978 World Cup)
Position: WF*, SS
Nationality: Argentinian _arg
Age: 20-25 (19/07/1953)
Era: 1973/1978

Foot: R
Side: R

Height: 165 cm
Weight: 63 kg

Attack: 83
Defence: 39 (-2)
Balance: 76
Stamina: 84
Top Speed: 87
Acceleration: 90
Response: 83
Agility: 90 (+1)
Dribble Accuracy: 95 (+3)
Dribble Speed: 92 (+2)
Short Pass Accuracy: 84
Short Pass Speed: 86
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 82
Shot Accuracy: 82
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 85
Free Kick Accuracy: 80
Curling: 83
Header: 76
Jump: 86
Technique: 92 (+4)
Aggression: 90
Mentality: 77
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 79 (-1)

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 8
Weak Foot Frequency: 7
Consistency: 7
Growth type: Early peak

PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P05 - Trickster
P06 – Speed Merchant (Add)
P07 - Mazing Run
P12 - Incisive Run
S01 - Reaction
S05 - 1-touch Play
S06 - Outside Curve
S14 - Quick Turn

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Dribbling
*Tactical dribble
*Reaction
*Side
*1-Touch Pass
*Outside

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

EXPLANATION:

DEF (39), AGI (90), DA (95) & DS (92): I do not really deserve the Defense René a number of more than 40.. 39 is good, 3 more than Corbatta. 90 is well in AGI, 2 points behind Corbatta. In both the DA, no words, simply awesome, René has been one of the best "dribblistas" in Argentina and probably in the world, 95 may sound dull, but there is no direct ability to know what to do (in every game invented a new kind of dribbling, a magician, amazing), it is clear that deserves a red number. Regarding the DS, I just think it deserves a raise, a number clearly deserves further away from yellow. It was one of the fastest wings, but was very fast.

TECH (94), TW (79) & P06: And in TECH, there is little explanation, René had a very good technique, and I think 90 is fine, 3 points less than Corbatta. Did not mind playing as a team, but I think 80 is a bit exaggerated, a green number is fine. Not much explanation on this card, René was a classic "speedster/velocista".
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Vickingo » 2010 Nov 27, 20:00

Completely agree with those changes Lucas.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Vickingo » 2011 May 30, 23:29

Terrifici wing one of the bests that I could watch in videos. He played drunk and it's not a joke, a goal that he made he was drunk and he doesn't remember too much.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby xeneize » 2011 May 31, 00:58

vickingo_73 wrote:He played drunk and it's not a joke, a goal that he made he was drunk and he doesn't remember too much.

that's true, he say "i make a terrific goal and i don't remeber"

and... here's the goal. is the second goal of the video
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby lucardax5d » 2011 Jul 13, 12:44

Updated please.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby John1 » 2012 Feb 04, 03:16

A fella that I will never quite forget....did some stuff with the ball that only Diego and Mane did...personally the most gifted fella I have ever seen alongside Diego and Romario
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Brezza » 2012 Feb 11, 17:24

Finally updated with lucardax5d's suggestions, lovely player to watch and probably the best argentine winger ever. Not sure about speed though, decently quick on the ball over the first few yards but mostly preferred short dribbles here and there. Seem to be more of a finesse shooter than a powerful one.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Feb 11, 21:57

I agree with those changes but Brezza dude, with new standars we should make a massive decrease in his TW imo. He was that typical wing forward who usually stacionated himself in the line and wait for the ball to dribble and make a cross. To make him realistic I say, he doesn't need too much this attribute to replicate his style in game, the same with his mentality which was very poor...he wasn't a warrior, far from that and when his stamina was depleted he didn't make too much to continue running (also his physical condition wasn't the best, visibly lack of it cause his addiction to wine), so not sure with so high stamina though. Btw, in general seems a good set.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Brezza » 2012 Feb 13, 21:24

Agree with lowering Stamina/Response(?)/Mentality and teamwork. Also what are your views on his speed stats Victor? I don't think it was really that impressive but I probably have different standards when rating classic players in terms of speed nowadays.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Feb 14, 00:29

Yeah I didn't notice that value in response...btw I asked to my father and said me that he used to score few goals being almost a "Poacher", but usually he didn't use it at all. Stamina should be very low but if we decrease his mentality as we should do; with something like 78-80 range will be fine. His mentality/teamwork must be really low, I'm too harsh with those stats to give realism players in game, and I consider it in Houseman very very forgotten by him...so if you ask me high 60's will be the best, btw I'm not 100% sure.
About stats, he rarely showed his speed without the ball, just when a teammate sent a long pass looking for him, but the best demonstration of his speed was with the ball and he had an amazing and skilled pace...so must be a real difference between TS and DS.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby John1 » 2012 Feb 14, 18:08

Brezza wrote:Agree with lowering Stamina/Response(?)/Mentality and teamwork. Also what are your views on his speed stats Victor? I don't think it was really that impressive but I probably have different standards when rating classic players in terms of speed nowadays.


He was a fast player, but not too fast for a typical winger. His dribblings were purely technical even if he could run away from his markers.
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Re: René HOUSEMAN | 1973-1978

Postby Brezza » 2012 Feb 26, 17:08

What do you think about this update. Pretty rough I know

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Attack: 83
Defence: 39
Balance: 75
Stamina: 80
Top Speed: 82
Acceleration: 88
Response: 78
Agility: 90
Dribble Accuracy: 95
Dribble Speed: 90
Short Pass Accuracy: 84
Short Pass Speed: 82
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 82
Shot Accuracy: 82
Shot Power: 80
Shot Technique: 83
Free Kick Accuracy: 80
Curling: 83
Header: 76
Jump: 86
Technique: 92
Aggression: 90
Mentality: 73
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 74

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