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Alphonso Davies

Postby PES Stats Database » 2018 Sep 24, 23:31

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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby duck23 » 2018 Sep 25, 23:35

Isn't he more of a winger? Or a main SMF then, WF secondary? I mean, from what I saw of him this far (awesome wonderkid btw), he actually never plays as a defender, and doesn't go all the way back so regularly to be marked as an offensive defender, although he goes back and forward a lot, so a WB tops. He is usually at the LMF position with solid attacking roles and he shows up at both sides of the field so: LMF *, RMF (b), LWF (a), RWF (b), LWB (?).

Oh and he is pretty strong physically, missing the BC and PC values =)
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Oriello » 2018 Sep 26, 01:02

I've only been following Vancouver for the last couple of months or so, but from what I have seen and reviewed they mainly play a 4-4-1-1, and it seems in the defensive phase like two flat lines of 4 defenders and 4 midfielders, with Reyna(SS/AMF) and Kamara(CF) helping out randomly, and the way Davies behaves in the defensive phase made me think he is primarily a SMF rather than a more attack focused WF with little defensive responsibilities..It could be that in PES terms Vancouver plays two formations during the match and morphs into a 4-2-4 kind of system on the counter/attack, so he could very well be a WF too.

I'll add WF, I don't know how to rank them as you listed, " LMF *, RMF (b), LWF (a), RWF (b)" I just enter the info in the editor for the website and it outputs the positions, I have no option to list them in a preferential hierarchy - I can only list "Both" for preferred side as an option. The WB position I will wait on, as I have yet to see Vancouver play that sort of system. I have seen him play LB before, last match vs Dallas, Levis was subbed off and he played there in the second half, his MLS All Star appearance was at LB, I'm pretty sure I've seen it at least one other time - and the commentators have made mention of him being able to fill in that spot.

I actually found him to be very responsible in his defensive duties, he helps his SB with opposition's wide players and I thought he was pretty frequently in that space around the upper corner of his own penalty area, his ball winning is composed and decent.


The BC and PC values I have not yet played one of the new PES games that have these, so I don't know how to rate them well - I know tomitos has made some posts regarding this but I have yet to go through them - If you or anyone else have values in mind for BC and PC for Davies or any other player that is missing them for MLS, just post them and I'll add them. Someone else with more knowledge can dispute or edit them later. I tried to make guesstimations from ladders for a few players and quickly stopped since I had no way to know ho accurate I was being not able to play with the values.

EDIT I tried to make him SMF, WF, SB . I removed SB, updated, added WF, updated, re-added SB, updated. And the PSD Editor still lists him SMF, SB, WF - lol can't be helped.
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Re: Alphonso Davies, Vancouver Whitecaps

Postby duck23 » 2018 Sep 26, 04:02

Haha no problem with the order of the positions. I listed it like that, "(a) (b)", because it's how it shows in the new gen but just as an example of how I saw him working at the videos that I watched. I do agree with you in the 4411 into 424, mixed formation and all, but I didn't knew he played as a SB though I believe he is totally able to due to his playstyle.
What I mean is that he got signed by Bayern and I don't think he is a future replacement for Alaba (main LB who can play a whole lot of other positions as well) but more to where Douglas Costa used to play in his times there, although we can't predict those things of course, and comparing Davies to another wonderkid like Ryan Sessegnon which has more of a playstyle of an actual LB who got moved to LWF, more focused on the left side I mean, it's not quite the case for him as well as I saw him playing from the right to the center in some games, kind of like Robben but just exemplifying, he is not Robben-like at all xD. It's kind like Bale as well who was an LB and now is more of an RWF mainly. I may have mixed too much examples right now lol.
Anyway, the case with Davies is that he is mainly a Left Midfielder so he can cover both defensive and offensive roles no problem, but I see him with more offensive duties in the end cuz he have more of a finisher playstyle. He will be a really good one to be observed when he leaves MLS to a more competitive league like Bundesliga. So many wonderkids these times, that's pretty nice :D
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Re: Alphonso Davies, Vancouver Whitecaps

Postby Oriello » 2018 Sep 26, 12:13

I was not aware of Ryan Sessegnon, its good that I unknowingly rated Davies just different enough from a player who originally was a LB :P . I think Davies is 95% of the time a wide mid/attacker, him at SB is most likely a product of his willingness to trackback and that he is a okay tackler as a mid - so they are willing to risk him there, but with his pace he still can get up to offer himself in the final 3rd.

I too think Bayern will use him in the attack - his tackling is just a nice bonus you don't always get from these sort of wide players. who often focus on refining their dribbling/crossing and lack effort/ability in the defensive phase.

Him cutting/drifting into the centre is a new part of his game (commentators mentioned it themselves) maybe over the past 3-4 months he has begun to wander to the middle, ready to counter using short passing combos with Kamara and Reyna, directly on goal. As you said a finisher kind of style.

Hope he can grow into a good player for Bayern and not do a Donovan.
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Re: Alphonso Davies, Vancouver Whitecaps

Postby Oriello » 2018 Oct 29, 22:26

https://youtu.be/4zZhYZx3BUM?t=5 final 2 goals for Vancouver (that backup Portland LB, Farfan, I don't know why he is being so lax on the second goal lol)

I'm gonna up SA and SP +1 point each, just a cosmetic thing to keep him just behind Almiron. Similarish left foot shooters. EDIT I updated PC and BC according to the formula sek/tomitos and sanji discussed on discord.

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Re: Alphonso Davies, Vancouver Whitecaps

Postby Oriello » 2019 Jan 02, 21:39

damn forgot to edit vancouver team name out of thread title, help a brather out
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Re: Alphonso Davies, Vancouver Whitecaps

Postby Twix » 2019 Jan 10, 10:39

The caption in the title “Vancouver Whitecaps” really stands out, so help Oriello. Also in Bayern, he was given 19 number - official twitter of Bayern. Well, although it is not fundamental, goakeeper stats should be 40 each.
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Re: Alphonso Davies, Vancouver Whitecaps

Postby Oriello » 2019 Jan 10, 15:01

Twix wrote:The caption in the title “Vancouver Whitecaps” really stands out, so help Oriello. Also in Bayern, he was given 19 number - official twitter of Bayern. Well, although it is not fundamental, goakeeper stats should be 40 each.
I only can edit in CONCACAF and forgot to delete Vancouver from title before transferring him, need a global mod to clean up my boo boo :( .
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Oriello » 2019 Jul 13, 15:23

He started as LWF (would swap sides) in Gold Cup and I think that was his main spot before in other NT matches, but Canada were experimenting Kaye at LB when he got injured, Davies filled in later matches.

https://youtu.be/wIUGrLcccUY?t=19 davies fk crossbar - maybe FKA to 68-69? Dont recall seeing him do this at Vancouver, probably tips from Robbery in training, first effort and on frame.

Got to see him more at Gold Cup since his move, his DA is worse, either from little game time or I was too generous before. DA 66 is more accurate, in combination with the rest of the set it is sufficent to keep him lethal in many instances, but more likely to replicate that VERY loose/sloppy control he has when taking players on - multiple times he would knock the ball out of play thinking he could take on a player...really at extreme could be 64.

Other than that his TS looks ferocious, he is at least 91, just eats up ground like road runner. Fantastic support play/ overlaps from left back.

Attack I would lower by 1 point and increase Defence by 1 - just balancing against the other Canadian attackers Jonathan David (71), Cavallini (74) [to be posted], Junior Hoilette (should be ~72 in new update) - and he played better at LB than before (though was at fault for Hatian goal)

Displayed good support play for Canada, lots of self less running and setting up of teammates rather than selfish finishing, his interchanges were sharp too, both TW and SPS could be upped +2.

Curling underrated a little, his shots can be benders but crosses tend to lack any of that quality to make them dangerous from their curl - ~68 Curl.

Summary of suggestions for current set;
Attack 73
Defence 51
Top Speed 91
Dribble Accuracy 65
Short Pass Speed 77
FKA 69
Curl 68
Team Work 70

GOALKEEPER STATS: (forgot to set these)
Catching: 40
Clearing: 40
Reflexes: 40
Coverage: 40

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Once the PSD Editor is more functional, can a mod freeze his set with these changes;

Attack 73
Defence 50
Top Speed 89
DA 64
Curling 68
Team Work 68

https://i.imgur.com/YHh0CpK.png - for me to use in classic post




Am I racist or does he not look like a young Pele - but way more buff and with braces - fuck his physique is great for an 18 year old - that hip - shoulder ratio.

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Looks taller than Robben (180 cm) more than 1 cm, maybe still growing.

https://fcbayern.com/en/teams/professio ... nso-davies 72 kg weight
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Oriello » 2019 Nov 16, 02:20

Very weird his dribbling, first half vs US was guilty of multiple give aways because he dribbled with the ball 4 feet in front of him with every touch - one lead to the CK that was first goal. And just looked horrendous in controlling the ball all first half. Then second half MUCH improved control and is dribbling at speed and keeping that ball glued to foot - LIKE FUCK OFF be one or the other - mercurial WITHIN a match.

Heading he failed at a few times, whistle saved him as he nearly played a striker in on goal with a back header from the touch line near half way line. Also mis timed jump on one completely....Not so much heading but decision making, he played the ball up to his own head and headed it to his keeper inside the six-yard box - then the CONCACAF ref decided that was an indirect freekick outside the six-yard box, not on the spot of the foul.

His on ball strength looking good.

For Bayern he seemed vs BVB decent at the role, but I think a LARGE part of that is the team surrounding him. For Canada it is an idiotic waste of talent to have him at LB, especially since prior match he ran US ragged from a free attacking role. When he screws up - since he makes many mistakes in passing/dribbling/decisions its a much worse set of players that has to save the action, compared to Alaba and co.
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Akephalos » 2019 Dec 13, 20:51

This guy is physically insane, his TS could be higher, same with his ACC and Stamina. I don't think he is that clumsy with the ball on his feet, his ball handling is really good in speed and his touch seems decent, however when rushes plays he sometimes has wrong attacking decissions, but overall he is getting very confifent now that he has a lot of matches playing as a starter.
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Dec 13, 20:56

He looks a real candidate for TS 95 from some of the stuff I see from him. Had a great recovery to track back on Son recently in the UCL and bottle him up.
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Akephalos » 2019 Dec 13, 21:47

anOKguy wrote:He looks a real candidate for TS 95 from some of the stuff I see from him. Had a great recovery to track back on Son recently in the UCL and bottle him up.



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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby mrayamgoreng_12 » 2020 Feb 11, 15:39

anyone else think he deserves atleast red TS and orange acc? He's really fast when recovering from going too far forward
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Akephalos » 2020 Feb 11, 16:11

Yes, of course, He is evolving so good honestly. He also looks high yellows and near oranges in Stamina, his is physically awesome.
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Ocrin » 2020 Feb 11, 16:47

Agree with red TS, definitely. Can't be sure about STA since I didn't watch full games but he looks like high yellows at least, yeah.
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Oriello » 2020 Feb 13, 01:10

Posting my reply to Akphelos here, instead of carrying on two conversations in two places about same thing;

AkephalosYesterday at 11:16 AM
hey do you have any concrete suggestions for davies?
he looks 96 in TS, ACC 93-94, Stamina 87-88 in my eyes
and also some small tweaks in passes and DS


Oriello 3.0Today at 7:53 PM
TS 96 at his max can be fine - I just worry about over doing it as its not something that he can blast all the time
ACC 93 is fine too
the Stamina I see lower than what Tyler Adams 88, brings - guys engine is far superior
Even Thiago seems more able to cover massive ground and finish the match well
Davies looks depleted near end of matches, compared to what he can give earlier
like he is not hands on knees and unable to contribute, just his level looks lower than I would expect from a near 90 fullback/player
what twaeks to passing DS?
I think if TS goes 96 than DS at 88? needs not be higher
he does not look good at full speed dribbling
really I think his DA is what needs to be touched and lowered a point or two
keeps giving away the ball, after a successful first touch when he tries to start a dribble he so often coughs the ball up and possession turns over, he sometimes recovers due to luck and his speed
Header is something that could go up a point or two - looks better at it, at least defensively and directed kockdowns to teamates than I ever really seen before


So Stamina yeah it can go up but I would think it better for now to keep him under Thiago 84 - so 83-82 for Davies.
DA 63-64 , DS higher than 88 if TS 96?? I am not really seeing him that dangerous in a continuous dribble at speed, like at his most dangerous seems to be punting a lot, pushing ball ahead and out running a player to get by him.

Header 65-66

His high crossing is hit and miss, he does well to drop it in a generally good area, but half? look to be overplayed or the wrong option for where the attackers are making runs, just is getting to end of his run and pops a cross since he has no more room/time to do anything else.

Balls over the top for left mid look okay

ground passing looks slow compared to rest of Bayern mids lol - but In Vancouver and for Canada his SPS stands out as "sharp" hahah, low crosses/cutbacks look okay.

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Oriello 3.0Today at 8:12 PM
I posted in his thraed, I am not as impressed by him in final moments of a match, he seems less able to hit peak speeds late than earlier in a match - tells me he has an endurance limit that should be displayed/limited in his set.
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby Akephalos » 2020 Feb 13, 01:27

I have been kinda impressed by his Stamina, but it might be an area where he is still inconsistent atm.
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Re: Alphonso Davies

Postby godsplan » 2020 Feb 26, 06:43

As crazy as it sounds TS could still get an increase, good luck catching him when he's in full flight. Absolutely tore James into pieces last night

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