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Javi Martínez

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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Fixer » 2012 Sep 07, 23:51

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Korinov wrote:Seems like shirt name is just gonna be MARTINEZ. Some pics here:

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Well, it's MARTÍNEZ after all.


Very useful, thanks. Korinov should take some spanish classes It seems. :roll:
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby KeyserSoze » 2012 Sep 07, 23:54

It doesn't matter. German language doesn't have ortographic accents (´), so his shirt name in Bayern is simply MARTINEZ.
Considering this, this issue has run its course.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Eternal Night » 2012 Sep 08, 06:34

Against Stuttgart his shirt name was "MARTÍNEZ", with accent :)

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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby chanman » 2012 Sep 08, 08:08

Eternal Night wrote:Against Stuttgart his shirt name was "MARTÍNEZ", with accent :)

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Does this even matter? In PES the accent won't even show on the back of the kit it will just be a blank space. It is the same thing when trying to put a lower case letter on the back of a kit.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Eternal Night » 2012 Sep 08, 08:14

You're right chanman but it was only information ;)
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby antihero » 2012 Sep 11, 21:05

Fixer wrote:Very useful, thanks. Korinov should take some spanish classes It seems. :roll:

Not necessarily, but perhaps you should take some English classes.

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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Fixer » 2012 Sep 12, 01:27

antihero wrote:Not necessarily, but perhaps you should take some English classes.


Watch your tone or you might have a really short time In here. Don't come around playing the smart, or you might end up playing the BAN.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Sep 12, 01:37

@Fixer or any La Liga mod :)

If he plays as DMF (is the position he will play here, mainly) does he deserves current DEF value? or was giving only if he plays (default position) as CWP/CB?
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby KeyserSoze » 2012 Sep 12, 01:38

It's funny when newbies pretend to have a "witty" humor towards other members, as though they would gain recognition with it. :lol:
Alright, the shirt name issue has run its course at last :!:
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby KeyserSoze » 2012 Sep 12, 01:48

Kruger13 wrote:@Fixer or any La Liga mod :)

If he plays as DMF (is the position he will play here, mainly) does he deserves current DEF value? or was giving only if he plays (default position) as CWP/CB?

I'm not a La Liga mod myself, but since I know Marcelo Bielsa's tactics before he arrived at Athletic Bilbao, I can tell you El Loco loves versatile, dynamic players.
That's why he decided to use Martínez (conventionally a DM/CM) as commanding CWP/CB.
I encourage you to give him some time playing for Bayern before modifying his DEF value. Maybe he will display the same solid defensive performances as DM, maybe he won't.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Sep 12, 06:30

i like the att def ration by konami, they give him cm as makn position, it should be dm, he will plays it at bayern, there is no idea to use him as a cb, no doubt he's the new player next to schweinsteiger
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Fixer » 2012 Sep 12, 10:55

Kruger13 wrote:@Fixer or any La Liga mod :)

If he plays as DMF (is the position he will play here, mainly) does he deserves current DEF value? or was giving only if he plays (default position) as CWP/CB?



No, he doesn't deserve this value as DMF. This set was changed from CMF (Which Is his natural position) to when he played as CWP, on which he deserved values around this. If he's gonna play as something else for Bayern, just totally change the set. For CMF he should have a much much much much much much much much much lower value.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Korinov » 2012 Sep 12, 11:14

To be honest I'm not sure if we really did alright when changing his main position to SWP... I mean he played as such under Bielsa but if you ask me about his true natural position then it's probably been CMF all along (or in any case, DMF). The problem is, of course, that it's not possible to replicate weird coaches' decisions (like Bielsa's) ingame.

Regarding DEF... I'd just tell you guys to watch him play for a bit then rate him the way you see him.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Fixer » 2012 Sep 12, 11:35

But It was his only position during that year, why would we put him in something different. We did It with Ramos.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Korinov » 2012 Sep 12, 11:40

Ramos played SB for years... underperformed for years... in the end his main position was always CB. I already commented on Mascherano's thread that we're maybe too trigger-happy at awarding main positions to players, taking into account where they're instructed to play and not what they really are.

This may deserve a discussion in the general subforum.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Sep 12, 11:47

i'm with korinov, a player has a main position an of tactical reason he is used on a different position, maybe over weeks or months, bit his main position should be his main position and all others are more positions he could play. i can't say anything about martinez cause i saw bilbao just at the el, but in genral i'm with korinov here. if a player is used in the club and the nt on a new position and that over one or two years we shoud change, like we did with schweinsteiger when van gaal made him a cm
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Fixer » 2012 Sep 12, 12:35

The problem Is that we're not talking about a SS that will be put as AMF, WF or a CMF put as DMF or AMF, we are talking about a CMF put as CB.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Sep 12, 17:46

like i said, nothing about martinez, you'e so much closer to hm than me. all i said is that he will be a dm at bayern. nothing more nd i can't rate him for now, at the moment i use his konami set in my of.
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Sep 13, 02:32

Thanks guys! ;)

Btw, we should watch more of him, same as Seb i have watched him only in UEL and in some La Liga matches but nothing concrete. Personally, dont like Konami ATT/DEF ratio (they made as CMF). I think he is better than Tymo and Gustavo in terms of DEF but time will tell...
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Re: Javi MARTÍNEZ

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Sep 13, 08:11

ah both of them are really good in defenisve behaviour i don't think martinez is much better, he's a more intelligent player at all
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