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Rodrigo Bentancur

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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby chamakh » 2017 Feb 04, 23:40

nice goal at U20

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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby chamakh » 2017 Feb 07, 01:10

what about a partial update? @paablito @vickingo
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby lucashag » 2017 Feb 28, 08:48

Caution: Long ass fuck post

I made a vs vid of him against Racing
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I did solely because I was intrigued with some aspects of his game lately and the trio of gago, perez and him was a really interesting well build idea by GBS.

First thing that really caught my eye was this, checking the AFA thread.
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He had the highest amount of balls recovered that game with 10 against river, the closer player to him was perez with 6, that's a pretty high difference between him and the rest of the players. It was during the time while I was making the video for gago against SL, so I started to look carefully at Bentancur's defense during the rest of the game, have to say he was surprisingly good, he did a whole lot of pressing, and was pretty annoying to anyone that tried to attack the left side, drawing attackers away from the left side trying to go against our clear cut worst defensive player that game in fabra, he played good help defense and support gago's back by moments of the game.

So I decided to give him a look vs racing and watch closely some of the small details of the team, what they do good/bad role of the players, etc.

What I have to say is that defensively he goes hard, phisically he has some advantages above many around here though.

1. He's very tall and has great lenght, uses his long legs very well for tackling and intercepting passes aswell
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https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=62
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=68
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=76 reaches the ball with a slight touch on the divided ball right before the opponent
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=131
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=163 doesn't win the ball back but annoys the counter-attack and gives perez time to recover
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=224
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=255
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=277
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=302
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=385


2. His height helps him in the aerial duels aswell.
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https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=120
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=258
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=371


3. He's also really quick for a guy that long, his first step isn't quite bad, not great but better than expected for a guy with his frame. He's pretty fast overall, good final pace.
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https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=4
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=137 check replay too, shows a slight burst that helps him get to the ball
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=249
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=324 chasing back guisao, bodying him and forcing a bad pass to bou, who has to pivot to the right, bentancur's pressure helps the entire team getting back into position



Offensively neither him or fabra are used constantly, in GBS 4-3-3 pavon is used as the classic paceful wing on the right side,and he gets the ball a lot, a pivot CF (Bou or Benedetto) and Tevez floating around as a playmaker-ish SS behid the opponents DM normally, this line-up completely abandons the left wing unless fabra finds an open spot ( his movement off the ball is terrible, he can drive and create plays by himself fortunately) or bentancur breaks through which often doesn't happen (he has a tendency to cut inside as an AM off the ball when he's not covering Fabra)

some examples of this offensive tendency
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https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=5 bou can't score of that cross :arrow: there's noone on the other side to push it
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=48 perez has three option on the right wing, bou's inside the box and bentancur gets out of it to find the pass, you can see fabra appearing under the left, he's alone there.
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=172 receives pass :arrow: three options on the right and one on the left, gets on the build-up on the right flank
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=193 good offensive play, cuts through the middle and gives bou a clear one on one opportunity, both defenders read the play badly, none of them is marking bou and one is aiming to go covering fabra, which puts him on a bad spot
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=239 receives but ther''s no option going left, passes it back.
https://youtu.be/EuV10pUVqG8?t=355 perez finds an oppening on the right, 3 players there, only one on the left wing.


With Tevez gone, GBS decided that it's time to go back to use an old school wing, this might have an effect on bentancur usage on the side, it could benefit him and help become better offensively or could hurt him because he'll be surrounded by two ballhogs like centurion and fabra, he did well vs colon but team overall suffered from the lack of association and static play of both pavón and centurión. He's not really a playmaker,he's more of a mixed CM with solid passing fluity who doesn't have a consistent through ball in him yet.

Gago was a very important change on the team, not only he forced a line-up change but he gave both perez and bentancur a good passer from deep that gives them more freedom, anchoring the mid and playing the role of a deep-lying playmaker, it was certainly noticeable vs Colón when gago played the first half as RCM that HE ISN'T a good CM, but a great DM as CM he struggles to play with his back on the opponent's goal, he needs to see the entire field to make decisions. He also doesn't arrives to the box at all.
Also if he plays on his back he is a target to DM's looking to foul him hard and take him off his game (check the vs vid against SL and see how many fouls he recieved as DM).
Second half sees gago as the DM, with barrios (who doesn't look bad, but doesn't really do anything great so far with this line-up) moved as a CM, and everything is more fluid.

Perez really needed Gago, at the start of the season the twins tried a 4-2-3-1 with him and bentancur as a double CM, none of them had any idea how to organize the attack from deep aswell as gago, and the team suffered it a ton because the 2 man weren't supported by the three man in front, Centurion-Tevez-Pavon, who constantly turn this line-up into a clear cut 4-2-4, completely broken midfield which became a trancision part of the field, the team solely depended on what the four upfront did.
With Gago he moved up front, had less distribution duties and does generally what he does best, good quick forward passing attemps and through balls, he has less defensive duties with bentancur and gago doing the dirtier part.

They all help each other, cover his weakness and bring the best they had and explode that.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Mar 17, 15:14

After that great post I just wanna update him, he does need it btw...he was best U-20 tournament player and he's now starter in Boca and will be sold to Juve in june for sure. Do you have any numbers?
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby chamakh » 2017 Mar 17, 16:45

Idk what lucas is going to say but from what ive seen of him my thoughts are: high greens TS, yellow DS, low green LPA, green RESPONSE, low yellow STA, high green or low yellow TW and perhaps a little bit better DA&TECHNIQUE? Mostly what ive saw that he improved. What do you think about him Victor?
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Paablito » 2017 Mar 23, 14:54

well i made an update here, mostly need it since the last season for now and after a great great u20 with uruguay. I didnt make changes in his att bceause doesnt seems a guy who is looking danger for the team, and also his first passes is mostly ok not to great, to have much better values but still have doubts about his sps/spa because he is more concerned in move it from his position, makes a simple pass to gago/perez and link up with fabra/peruzzi in the wings, but he doesnt show that kind of passes who breaks lines even doesnt try so much as others midfielders in Boca.
He is good starting counterattacks because moves quickly and is intelligent to make quick passes - despite of arent really incisives - supportive with good tank of sta to be annoying and his movements off the ball are mostly good.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Mar 24, 21:44

Like it but isn't it so harsh his att/def ratio, there are lots of mediocre players that have way better numbers in there as well as spa/lpa
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Paablito » 2017 Mar 25, 19:07

yeah i feel the same, my message looks short because was on the phone. I see him as a good workrate player, with sacrifice, moving around his mates to get in contact with the ball, what i trying to say is dont know what exactly numbers he should have there because mostly he plays safe and doesnt takes much risk on his style, so i dont touch his att, probably also needs better defense to make him more balanced about his ratio. Feel free to correct what values you think.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Mar 29, 16:31

Well I fixed some values, how does it look? Probably his SP is even better...i'm waiting for lucas' numbers btw
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby lucashag » 2017 Apr 17, 16:49

Vickingo wrote:i'm waiting for lucas' numbers btw


Ehhmm, don't expect much from me around here in 1st division (too busy rn). One thing though, check his long ball distribution from the left to the right wing. He's very good from that range, otherwise his long passing is fairly limited.

Also I don't see him as an 84 for DA; tech's alright on 84, but his dribble gets a little sloppy when he gets going and uses his dribble speed, his retention is not always there to deserve that high of a number.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby chamakh » 2017 Apr 22, 17:04

We sold him € 9.5 million and we kept his 50% in case of a future transfer. Best deal ever.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby antony » 2017 Apr 22, 17:54

chamakh wrote:We sold him € 9.5 million and we kept his 50% in case of a future transfer. Best deal ever.


I read a lot of sarcasm about him from Boca fans,, is he bad?
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby chamakh » 2017 Apr 22, 21:46

antony wrote:
chamakh wrote:We sold him € 9.5 million and we kept his 50% in case of a future transfer. Best deal ever.


I read a lot of sarcasm about him from Boca fans,, is he bad?


Probably he will be a good player in the future but i can't deny you that it's a lot of money for a player that doesn't even have 1 year of having outstanding performances. He's hated by Boca Jrs fans because almost costing us a tournament due his mistake in a decisive match and because it wasnt until last year he showed something else that his laziness.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby chamakh » 2017 May 07, 23:22

I still can't believe Juve paid 10M for a player which just plays safe and lateral every game,i mean, yeah actually his role in the team it's to be the very first player to pressing opposites lines but that's not supposed to be his style. He's wasting all our counter-attacks because his game understanding, decision-making and passing are awful. Specially last one because deep in my bosom i think he actually knows what to do but he doesnt have clue how to provide passes between lines.

I repeat: i think he´ll be a good player in the future but just after get a loan to a mid/small team.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Vickingo » 2017 May 30, 15:35

lucashag wrote: One thing though, check his long ball distribution from the left to the right wing. He's very good from that range, otherwise his long passing is fairly limited.


This is absolutely right, noticed the last time I wathced him play, I think the best way to replicate this is 74lpa-82 lps? or smth similar?

Also I don't see him as an 84 for DA; tech's alright on 84, but his dribble gets a little sloppy when he gets going and uses his dribble speed, his retention is not always there to deserve that high of a number.


Also right, no problems with that.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Epsi » 2017 Jul 27, 09:23

he's been playing cm/lsm/dm in this pre-season
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby Defo » 2017 Sep 20, 20:38

Looked amazing against Fiorentina. Defensively much much better than this.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby chamakh » 2017 Sep 20, 20:50

i watched the game and i didn't see anything amazing on him tbh. Nothing to point out positively, i mean, yeah he did a couple of good interceptions but regarding build up game he did nothing to highlight. He did a good job defensively, passed the ball with criteria and nothing else.
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Re: Rodrigo Bentancur

Postby antony » 2017 Sep 21, 12:33

Defo wrote:Looked amazing against Fiorentina. Defensively much much better than this.


yes great game, won a lot duels showing a good ball winning ability with also direct and correct passes everytime he tries

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