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Nigel de Jong, Al Ahli SC

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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby ominho » 2011 Apr 02, 15:55

Can he have same ATT value 70 as Obi Mikel, Sidwell, Huddlestone or Wilson Palacios? Maybe 66(= P.Nevile) ~ 69(= Poulsen) would be fit him. Even Tiote(=68) should be higher value than de Jong imo.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby The Special One » 2011 Apr 04, 16:38

IMO this guy deserves and uppgrade in response and maybe defence. He is one of, if not the smartest defensive midfielder in the league.

Defence: +1
Response: +2
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Al-bulldozer » 2011 Apr 04, 17:38

About defence ، I would but him at the level of 80 or even above 80. But response 88 is quite enough .
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby mcmattie » 2011 Apr 04, 21:36

I wouldn't complain with that.

I think he deserves at least condition 7.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby rossonero99 » 2011 Apr 05, 18:20

I agree totally with the last suggestions...
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby wizzballs » 2011 Apr 07, 19:48

I've previously argued in favour of lower passing stats but he's made me eat my words this year. There is barely any difference between his creative work in midfield and Gareth Barry's.

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Barry may have two assists and two goals but De Jong has a vastly better pass completion rate 95%.

Anyway, this is my favourite stat;

City with De Jong;

P29 W19 D6 L4

without De Jong

P18 W6 D5 L7


As such I think an increase in team work would go a long way to recreating his efforts in the real world.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby BigStu » 2011 May 12, 17:31

given ment an update
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Al-bulldozer » 2011 May 12, 18:59

How about his defence ؟
I think you should give him a yellow number for it .
When a defensive Middle fielder has higher rate for defence than a CB ، it doesn't mean he would be better than him at defending ، every one has his position so middle fielder arm't better they play as a center back .
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Fides » 2011 Jun 09, 10:15

Maybe it sounds weird but sometimes I feel his DA and AGI is quite decent. He still has a bit of his "Amsterdam-streets"-ability I guess. He rarely looses the ball in possession, and when he does its usually because of a shit pass instead of a poor dribble.
His ATT could come down if you ask me. Dont see why he should be in the 70s.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Jez » 2011 Jun 09, 16:42

Can't comment on his Dribble Accuracy really but I'd agree with lowering his Attack.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby BigStu » 2011 Jun 09, 17:48

LOWERED ATTACK AND RAISE DA AN SP
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Al-bulldozer » 2011 Jun 09, 18:40

I think he deserves higher defence . He isn't that kind of holding middle filedr who is creative and creates attacks but he is good at defending so I suggest to raise his defence value .

Now ، it looks better .
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 09, 18:41

He's too effective with his current DEF+RES combination (together with his pace, agility, strength + Enforcer card) in game.
His reactions are great and he reads the game very well but I don't think he's as great as a 88 suggests. And we all know about his many mis-timed challenges..
Mascherano currently sits on a 87 and I don't think having de Jong on a higher value is accurate. I have him on a 86 now and I think it works much better. Still an excellent value, maybe 87, but more accurate for de Jong
And I think his DEF can come down a point. When I compare him to let's say Busquets (who sits on a 75 now but will possibly come up to a 78), I think the gap between the two is a bit bigger than just one point. Busquets' positioning is excellent and while de Jong is also very good in this area, he's not on his (Busquets) level (who has no pace and strength on top of it). Nigel de Jong is more very, very active and relentless.
Thoughts?

EDIT: Well, it's obvious Al-Bulldozer disagrees :P. Don't understand your post though.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby BigStu » 2011 Jun 09, 19:35

Busquets is overated, he isn't a wc holding mf, his defence is fine as it is

I don't find de jong overrated in game, strangely the only holding midfielder that gives me grief is Sandro...
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Al-bulldozer » 2011 Jun 09, 19:52

Mr. Evans wrote:Don't understand your post though.


some words were missed in that post for that reason it was unclear . I was trying to teach some one and explain some exercises for him . That made my post unclear .
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 09, 19:55

A high DEF value doesn't make you a world-class DMF, does it?
And if you don't think Busquets' positioning is world-class, DMF terms, than there's no reason to discuss that matter any further.

And his DEF is fine as it is you say, care to explain? He's currently above Van Bommel and he's not better than him when it comes to positioning. Van Bommel is more intelligent than him as well.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby KunAguero » 2011 Dec 13, 21:07

Hi , I think he deserves Response less than this .. 85 - 86 is good , Right ?
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Gugu » 2011 Dec 13, 22:16

Mr. Evans wrote:He's too effective with his current DEF+RES combination (together with his pace, agility, strength + Enforcer card) in game.
His reactions are great and he reads the game very well but I don't think he's as great as a 88 suggests. And we all know about his many mis-timed challenges..
Mascherano currently sits on a 87 and I don't think having de Jong on a higher value is accurate. I have him on a 86 now and I think it works much better. Still an excellent value, maybe 87, but more accurate for de Jong
And I think his DEF can come down a point. When I compare him to let's say Busquets (who sits on a 75 now but will possibly come up to a 78), I think the gap between the two is a bit bigger than just one point. Busquets' positioning is excellent and while de Jong is also very good in this area, he's not on his (Busquets) level (who has no pace and strength on top of it). Nigel de Jong is more very, very active and relentless.
Thoughts?

EDIT: Well, it's obvious Al-Bulldozer disagrees :P. Don't understand your post though.

I'd agree to a decrease of DEF but not Response - like you said de Jong is a very aware player who is quick to react to a situation and always reads the game well. I'd say he does this better than Mascherano, who positions himself better imo. de Jong is amongst the fastest defensive midfielders too in terms of reactions times in the world imo and anything less than his current value in response just doesn't do him justice, and would make him too lethargic on the field.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby mcmattie » 2011 Dec 13, 22:27

I'd like to remind that Busquets has 77 defence now, so De Jong already has lower DEF than him. ;) Besides that, Gugu explanes it well.
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Re: Nigel DE JONG

Postby Diego » 2011 Dec 13, 22:34

He is @ 77.
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