Yeah but I raised DEF up to 79-80 covering
That won't compenate for massive drop in other key areas. We basically rate def as tackling ability, so that will just up him in that area (and hes not really a clean tackler, more about over whemling opponents), tw as defensive support and movement, stamina as effort and workrate, and resp as incentive to go for the ball.
Why won't it? It's him, play with him in the context of Sevilla in PES and you can see him working - I'm trying not to overdo the stats and keep them capable of reflecting the player in game, he is a monster in game and I get similar plays from him as I seen of him in irl. Sevilla was a counterattacking defensive team under Emery, a perfect place for a good DMF like Krycha to "pad" his stats a bit, as the team continually weathered opponents out in their shell every away game and often at home when they wanted to close out a game, in a more dominant possession based team (maybe this will be the case at PSG) he would have lower intercrepts and tackles per game.
For myself high DEF midfielders also place themselves better on the pitch, i.e. when recieving an opponents cross in the box, it's noticeable 68 (Pogba) vs 80 DEF value that a player is more likely to meet a cross when your defending deep - and a CB is distracted marking a run etc.
"yeah of course he is a DMF naturally he needs to be in the 83-85, he has a decent rep you know."
nothing to do with who he is, just what the suggested stats will entail, which I feel aren't complete enough in comparison with his current.
It's either the current values which I believe display what you are implying, decent resp/decent sta/decent tw with great def, or low resp great tw/great def or low def (i feel low is better) decent stamina
That bit was just meant to be read in a funny voice, it was past 11pm when I replied and I should have been asleep not on a laptop
, apologies..The TW I am flexible on as PES is an imperfect game, if it translates to better positioning and limiting open spaces when defending then by all means raise it up, its just as I mentioned I tried to balance with other players who move about the pitch in a generous manner to offer passing lanes - he does not do that.
The Stamina I cannot understand how he can be 83, when Bonucci does as much movement in a match (sometimes more with the amount of set-pieces juve rack up, all that shuttling up and down the pitch) and I have yet to ever see him as knackered as the Pole before 80mins are up.
Response - we just see him differently, to me he is more passive and needs to be away from L. Levia, Vidal...even Lahm, now on 82, is more active/busy to balls being played near him (is this partly due to a difference of defending styles, Emery deep bloc approach vs Pep's pressure the ball back ASAP)
Were you not the one in some other thread hearkening about not getting to caught up in statistics cuz they can be misrepresentative of reality
Yes, and I always say they should be used within context of knowing the player, which I do, but not so well so I went with conservative updates that wouldn't change the base of the set in respect of the the previous work, because from what I know of him, it seems more representative than the suggested values which I feel are going in and interesting direction, but aren't quite right to portray his influence which is quite high, it would need something to balance out the drops like a near global leader for tw in the destroyer role.
Unfortunately he does not offer the same considerate movement of Lahm off the ball to be a 95, and Sevilla though a good side, were sometimes diabolical when playing as a unit - so its idfficult to advocate for a high TW even from an outstanding performer as Krychowiak..but PES is imperfect and life is short, give him the appropriate TW (what is that?), cut that Stamina value..and go forth and multiply - wait thats the bible.
well he simply is not very reactive to loose balls
it's not about loose balls, just the ball itself. He goes for the ball a lot, thats why his tackles and interceptions are so high. when people are within his area he'll go for them or shut down their options and get in the way as the pass is made, he doesn't just stand there and do nothing.
He actually does not do this as much since last season, he does "stand there" like I mentioned in Sevilla he was more concerned with plugging gaps than destroying, yeah . Wwhen he arrived in 2014, yes he was more typical proactive DMF, hunting down players, but he also gassed out earlier then and was less effective - he has matured into a smarter player intervening with an energy economy in mind. Is 80 a terrible response? Will he be completely ignorant to surrounding actions in PES? I seen Hyppia and Carragher posted, and they got RESP 77-79 - both great individual defenders, a slow towering rock and a great last ditch tackler - useable with low RES. EDIT Carragher is 83, its either changed last night or I cant/should not be reading after 11pm.
woah, to me there is worlds between the two at short passing. I mean banega, has instantly become the player that inter have lacked since basically the time of veron, and it's been a long arduous road with probably dozens of players failing to be even remotely close to doing the job, a player that can link the ball to any area of the pitch no matter the circumstance. Krychowiak is just an averagely decent passer to me, nothing to write home about. 84 SPA is insanely good for a destroyer, this is a value for destroyers who are renowned for being very high quality distributors, should be quite a rare breed... and to have a defensive monster (which he is) on top of that great passing should be even rarer, honestly don't think hes even worth an 81.. I go for greens and higher sps on my option file, but I am harsher with values there, as power is not a problem, but he doesn't do anything with it. I do think he is quite a good long passer though.
Yes there is a gap betwee n Banega and him, just in my personal impressions of the Sevilla passeres was Krohn-Deli, Banega equal - gap - Krychowiak, Reyes, Tremoulinas (crossing only) - gap - Vitolo - lump the rest.
Power is a problem, there has been a few instances of him playing through balls and they struggle to reach the players run into space allowing opposition to collapse in and cut the pass out. In small compact spaces surrounded by 3 or 5 players he does great to bypass the ring/wall of legs and give possession out to more vacant areas...I thought I was harsh too? I have legends like Deyna high 80s in passing whilst others took my head off that it should be in the 90'sin the past lol...I guess I see something that you may have missed or is simply not there...fuck it life is too short give SPA 77.
henderson is a good passer and has been known to function as a quasi dlp due to pretty solid distance distribution, hes also quite capable of being incisive...not a limited passer at all. I don't watch bradley. But I think, if I understand you right, the logic behind your comparison and reason behind wanting an increase is..... hes not a great passer, very limited, not dangerous, but you want to give him a value that is very good for a dmf, that would allow him to be a rock solid distributor, but balance it by giving him low sps? That will just make his passes reach their target slower, it doesn't particularly limit what he can do, and just gives him accuracy to make passes he would never attempt.
But he is a dagnerous passer, for a converted CB he is wow at times. Of what I have seen of Henderson he has the same problems of Banega, he get tasked to more danger passing (as opposed to just distributuion) and ends up launching quite a few misplaced/terrible passes in the process - maybe this is colouring my preception.. Krychowiak may not be De Rossi, with his range and consistency of difficult passing, but is Krychowiak's quality worse than classic Makalele SPA 81 - Fuck my Cock? No!
jurgens wrote:If I understand right, you are comparing him to banega on quality, because of short passing accuracy in his extremely limited range of passing. So within that range, he has comparable accuracy. But thats such a limited range, so it's not hard to have good accuracy in such a limited area (but even though the area is limited, you can still clearly see the class of a great passer from the ease and fluency of their passes and lack of setup needed, never see krychowiak in that light)
But using that logic, wouldn't spa among the board go through the roof? This is if I'm understanding your logic? I'm not sure.
I suppose I am seeing a part of his game that you have missed or undervalue. Its not just about his small 10-15 yard radius, which as I mentioned before can be clogged with loads of opposnents but its his job to cooly play the ball out rather than hoofing it to touch, but also that on some occasions he has played great penetrating passes forward beyond that range (its just not common due to his function and limited range of reach). You can give him a drastic drastic SPA/SPS, 83/66