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Daniel Van Buyten

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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby bitz » 2009 Mar 19, 21:04

His attack needs to be raised. He is quite potent when going upfront, and takes up good positions in the opposite area. One of the more attack-minded defenders.
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby Heui » 2009 Mar 19, 22:05

what number do you have in mind?
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby bitz » 2009 Mar 19, 22:36

I would give him 66/67. That is just behind Terry who sits at 68 ;)
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby PMC » 2009 Mar 19, 23:40

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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby bitz » 2009 Mar 19, 23:55

PMC wrote::shock:


What?
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby PMC » 2009 Mar 19, 23:57

well 1st I'm shocked that Terry has such a high att. value and 2ndly that Van Buyten should get such a high value too... i mean we talk about his threat when it comes to setpiecesituations right?
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby bitz » 2009 Mar 20, 03:37

PMC wrote:well 1st I'm shocked that Terry has such a high att. value and 2ndly that Van Buyten should get such a high value too... i mean we talk about his threat when it comes to setpiecesituations right?


This is exactly what I'm talking about. Van Buyten is very dangerous when upfront and his attack could do with a raise. I think Terry is ok at (68), as long as Puyol is above him (70).
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby PMC » 2009 Mar 20, 10:42

bitz wrote:
PMC wrote:well 1st I'm shocked that Terry has such a high att. value and 2ndly that Van Buyten should get such a high value too... i mean we talk about his threat when it comes to setpiecesituations right?


This is exactly what I'm talking about. Van Buyten is very dangerous when upfront and his attack could do with a raise. I think Terry is ok at (68), as long as Puyol is above him (70).


Puyol has gotten 70 because he can play as sideback too... I sincerly doubt that Terry or Van Buyten could provide the same intelligence in attack if they were given a shot as sidebacks

if some defender is incredibly dangerous in setpiece situations (aside of headers) then maybe consider * Positioning
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby bitz » 2009 Mar 20, 11:12

PMC wrote:Puyol has gotten 70 because he can play as sideback too... I sincerly doubt that Terry or Van Buyten could provide the same intelligence in attack if they were given a shot as sidebacks

if some defender is incredibly dangerous in setpiece situations (aside of headers) then maybe consider * Positioning


I already know this, we have been discussing this matter in the Vidic thread. But Van Buyten is not only dangerous from set pieces. He is generally quite aggressive and likes to venture forward, lurking for a rebound outside the area. So, it's not only about his positioning inside the box, but about his overall attacking game.
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby Shubitidze » 2009 Jun 23, 17:58

I agree with this... Few times he even played as a CF at the end of a match. :)
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby prosser2k10 » 2009 Aug 16, 08:49

his age needs updating and he needs CF adding and i seen on wiki
Daniel Van Buyten (born 7 February 1978 in Chimay) is a Belgian international footballer who plays as a defender and also as an emergency striker for Bayern Munich,
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby Shubitidze » 2009 Aug 16, 16:45

prosser2k9 wrote:his age needs updating and he needs CF adding and i seen on wiki
Daniel Van Buyten (born 7 February 1978 in Chimay) is a Belgian international footballer who plays as a defender and also as an emergency striker for Bayern Munich,


Maybe he played around 30 minutes as a CF the last 5 years ;). Then we could also add CF for some keepers that help in the last minutes when there are corner :).
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby PMC » 2009 Aug 16, 16:47

that CF as optional isnt even needed since you have the option to use *Libero that makes a CB move up
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby s-cobar » 2009 Aug 18, 06:49

can we talk about his defensive skills?

I`ve never seen a CB who take so many wrong rutes.
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby Shubitidze » 2009 Aug 19, 15:24

I don't think we should decrease DEF. He is already not a very good CB in the game. This is due to missing pace and especially RESP is just 81.

IMO the DEF is sometimes less important than physical aspects. One example is Abidal: he is awesome to play with next to Puyol as he is extremely fast. Something similar is J.Boateng. Also in the 70s in DEF, but due to high BB and his pace he is very well as a CB in PES.

So if you set vB to DEF=82 for instance, he will hardly be at least average in the Bundesliga. And I do not think that he is one of the worst defenders in our league...
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby Markulur » 2009 Aug 19, 15:56

82 in defence is not bad but 85 is not extremely good. What he lacks is on timing and reaction so... response is on 81.

I think that his technical qualities are a bit underrated... he has powerful passes and good first touch for a CB.
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby s-cobar » 2009 Aug 20, 05:58

agree with Marc,

but 84 is too high for his defense. If I take a look on the ladder, I can`t agree with you Shubitidze.

I think he wouldn`t be in the staring XI of Stuttgart or Wolfsburg or Bremen.

He take too many wqrong runs and stay on the wrong point in a lot of situations the first two games and it was the same last season.
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby Shubitidze » 2009 Aug 20, 06:11

Ok, then we can maybe agree on DEF=83? That would set him on par with:

Manuel FRIEDRICH, Joris MATHIJSEN, Bastian REINHARDT, Arne FRIEDRICH (though I see Mathijsen much better than 83, IMO he deserves something around 85).

Together with pace, his strong body and rather weak RESP this will make him... half-decent :). Does not seem to be very promising for Bayern :D this season...
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Re: Daniel VAN BUYTEN

Postby s-cobar » 2009 Aug 20, 06:15

I think Demicheles is the better CB and that they sold Lucio was no good idea.

Matthijsen is better than 83. His problem is his speed.

But I think that both of the Friedrich are on the same level with van Buyten in defense value, van Buyten got the better passgame and the better header. maybe we can raise his response on 82 to get a blance, but I`m not shure about it.

Naldo is on 84, so van Buyten one under Naldo is right I think
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