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1950s All Stars

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 20, 01:55

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23 MEN SQUAD:

Goalkeepers:

Lev YASHIN
Vladimir BEARA


Defenders:

Branko ZEBEC
José Emilio SANTAMARIA
DJALMA SANTOS
Nílton SANTOS
Branko STANKOVIĆ


Midfielders:

DUNCAN EDWARDS
DIDI
Nils LIEDHOLM
Fritz WALTER
Stanley MATTHEWS
Raymond KOPA
Ladislao KUBALA
Francisco GENTO
GARRINCHA


Attackers:

Miloš MILUTINOVIĆ
Bernard VUKAS
John CHARLES (also a centre-back)
Alfredo DI STEFANO
Gunnar NORDAHL
Sandor KOCSIS
Ferenc PUSKAS

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RESERVES:

Goalkeepers:

Gyula GROSICS

Defenders:

Billy WRIGHT
Mihàly LANTOS


Midfielders:

Zlatko ČAJKOVSKI
Zolta¡n CZIBOR
Josef BOZSIK
Stjepan BOBEK


Attackers:

Juan SCHIAFFINO
Just FONTAINE


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BEST XI

2 Choices:

a) Classical "back-in-the-days" formation, by Plava Čigra & Oriello:

-----------------------------------YASHIN--------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------Branko STANKOVIĆ-----------------------Nílton SANTOS-------
-----------------------------------ZEBEC------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------EDWARDS-----------DIDI---------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------DI STEFANO--------PUSKAS-------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
------GARRINCHA----------------------------------------------GENTO------
----------------------------------KOCSIS--------------------------------

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b) A 4-4-2 Formation:

----------------------------------YASHIN---------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------JOHN CHARLES-----------ZEBEC------------------------
-DJALMA SANTOS------------------------------------------NILTON SANTOS-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------DIDI--------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------KUBALA-------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--MATTHEWS----------------------------------------------------GENTO---
-----------------------------------------DI STEFANO----------------------
--------------------------PUSKAS-----------------------------------------

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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 00:20

Just started testing with the first post formation. 2-0 win over classic Argentina... I'll proceed with the other games then start testing your formation... I'll post full scale details of every game...

There's still time to change either Benfica or Inter as the 4th and 5th opponent... Just let me know in the next 30 mins or so...
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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 21, 00:33

If you could maybe switch Benfica with Barcelona if all the stats are up to date? No disrespect to Benfica, but Barcelona will five some nice varation to the test, being a pure technical outfit, Inter is more of a power side, would like to see the results against to different styles.

How long are the matches 30 min the only way to play XD, or 20, 15? letting the CPU battle it out with itself or are you in control of one of the sides?
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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 00:51

Oriello wrote:If you could maybe switch Benfica with Barcelona if all the stats are up to date? No disrespect to Benfica, but Barcelona will five some nice varation to the test, being a pure technical outfit, Inter is more of a power side, would like to see the results against to different styles.

How long are the matches 30 min the only way to play XD, or 20, 15? letting the CPU battle it out with itself or are you in control of one of the sides?


No problem. Barcelona it is. Actually it's one of the few non-classical teams with updated stats.

It's CPU Vs CPU, 15 minutes matches. Both teams with normal condition and able to do 6 subs (just to let the opponents change according to the game, I don't plan on doing any on the 1950's team, unless there's an injury), classic ball, Estádio da Luz, Night time and fine weather.

Oh, and by the way, when I post some screenshots, don't you guys laugh at the logo I scraped in 2 minutes for the 1950's team. It's darn horrible! :mrgreen:
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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 01:07

Oriello wrote:No arrows, just let them do there own thing, Didi for all set pieces, and I have no idea if PES 2009 has it but Counter Attack level should be C and Zone Press C as well, if it is avialalbe.


How do you mess with Zone press on the PES version you're using? I don't really change it but I guess it might be done similarly as in the past versions, the tactics menu is pretty much the same.
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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 21, 01:08

I played a classic world cup a few years back with the default stats, but to make it the correct mood, I changed my monitor setting to greyscale only so there was no colour. XD Man did my eyes ever hurt after that tournament, 30 min matches :P. And it was very difficult to defirentiate the kits sometimes...colour is such a wonderful invention, I am so glad that I was not born into a black and white world, like the three stooges. XD

EDIT: Oh I am still on PES 5, she is eternal I tell you, I really need to but me PES 2009. :D I do not know if it is avialabe any longer, or where it might be located, as I rember that PES 2008 was already arranged differentyl from PES 5 and 6. Just forget those details and play them, it was just meant to minimize their off the ball running.
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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 01:43

Battle of the Tactics
Part 1


5 game test, the tactic and XI used are the ones on the first post.
Cpu Vs CPU, top difficulty, normal condition (green) for both teams, auto subs for the opponent (6 allowed), no subs done on the 50's team unless there's an injury or red card. Night Time, Summer, Good Weather, Estádio da Luz, Classic Ball.

Game 1
1950's All Stars Vs Argentina All Stars

Argentina:
(3-5-1-1 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team)

Carrizo
Sensini
Passarela
Ayala
Redondo
Almeyda
Simeone
Burruchaga
Cannigia
Maradona
Batistuta

Also used:
Kempes in for Maradona, 61.
Veron in for Cannigia, 63.

Argentina had almost no chances. The game was tight at midfield but the ball never reached Maradona. Their 3 man defense was butchered by Di Stéfano's counters.

1950's All Stars 2 - 0 Argentina All Stars
Di Stéfano, 8.
Puskas, 61.

Best player (7.0), Di Stéfano.

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Game 2
1950's All Stars Vs Germany All Stars

Germany:
(3-5-2 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team)

Maier
Kohler
Beckenbauer
Sammer
Matthaus
Breitner
Littbarski
Overath
Rummenigge
Voller
Klinsmann

Also used:
Buchwald in for Overath, 42.
Fritz Walter in for Littbarski, 43.
Muller in for Buchwald, 46. (???? 3 minutes on the field ???? )
Netzer in for Klinsmann, 63.

I'm starting to see a pattern here. This formation is awesome to decimate 3 man defences... Playing with two CB's and one Libero (Beckenbauer), Germany was no match on this game.

1950's All Stars 4 - 0 Germany All Stars
Gento, 9.
Puskas, assisted by Di Stéfano, 10.
Kubala, assisted by Didi, 15.
Garrincha, assisted by Gento, 63.

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Best players (7.0), Garrincha, Gento and Puskas.

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Game 3
1950's All Stars Vs England All Stars

England:
(4-4-2 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team - the game calls it 4-3-1-2 because Matthews is put as an MO instead of SM)
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Banks
Moore
Adams
Pearce
Le Saux
Ball (sent off, 29)
Stiles (sent off, 81)
Charlton
Matthews
Lineker
Shearer

Also used:
oddly, no-one...

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Finally, a 4 man defense. Things look much more balanced now. Despite playing with 9 men (!), England managed to take the game to Penalties. Most of the attacking was made by the 50's team, but Adams and Pearce played like a charm, and Banks didn't do bad either with 2 or 3 incredible saves.

1950's All Stars 0 - 0 England All Stars (After Extra-Time)

Penalties: 1950's All Stars 2 - 4 England All Stars

Di Stéfano scored
Shearer scored
Puskas scored
Lineker scored
Gento missed
Matthews scored
Garrincha missed
Charlton scored

Best player (7.5), Pearce.
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Game 4
1950's All Stars Vs Barcelona

Barcelona:
(4-3-3 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team)

Valdés
Puyol
Milito
D. Alves
Abidal
Touré
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Henry
Eto'o

Also used:
Sylvinho in for Abidal, 60.

Strange game. Mostly midfield battle with a couple of chances to score on Barcelona's net. Valdés was playing great. A fast counter decided the game: After a cross from Garrincha, Di Stéfano heads the ball high onto the goal. Valdés saves, lets the ball drop to the floor and doesn't seem to get hold of it. Di Stéfano gave it the final touch.

1950's All Stars 1 - 0 Barcelona (After Extra-Time)
Di Stéfano, 100.

Best player (7.0), Puskas.

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Game 5
1950's All Stars Vs Inter Milan

Inter:
(formation is this one: viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1107))

Julio César
Córdoba
Samuel
Maicon
Chivu
Cambiasso
Zanetti
Muntari
Stankovic
Adriano
Ibrahimovic

Also used:
Crespo in for Adriano, 110.

Plenty of chances in this game. Most of them for Inter. Yashin had an amazing game, with 2 or 3 great saves, but he was only given a 6.0 (?). In extra-time, a corner by Garrincha set Charles' head for the only goal of the match. Thanks for the suggestion Brezza :D

1950's All Stars 1 - 0 Inter Milan (After Extra-Time)
John Charles, assisted by Garrincha, 120.

Best player (7.5), Nilton Santos.
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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 04:29

Sum up:

4 wins, 1 loss.

8 goals scored - 0 conceded.
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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 21, 16:15

That is a crazy amount of effort you put in, a future post at RSSSF might be your calling. ;) XD

The defalut PES formations for the classic teams usually are not so well thought through. I personally have Classic Gemrany in a 1-4-4-1, when defending, and set formation A to a 4-3-3 with Beckenbauer being a DMF when in possession, the AI still refuses to fully switch the formation, so they do not have 7-0 games, but they are rock hard to break down. :P

Also that game against England seems to be a feature of the PES series :? , that if a team gets a red card early in the game, then it refuses to use subs, very strange, and worrying if that is still how the AI operates in PES 2009 =..(.

If by some chance the 3-2-5 squad equals the exact record of the 4-4-2's, then we can have a 5 game series to settle it all :P...alright then I suppose a one game final. ;)
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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 21:52

Brezza wrote:Id personally keep Byrne to add a bit more structure to the squad as there aren't many full-backs. No sure who he should replace though :?

For the first XI I might swap Foulkes with Charles, or maybe even Edwards who could comfortably play at the back as well ;)


Done. Added Byrne. Removed Altafini. Like Oriello said, he was very young in the 50's, and he could probably grab a place in a possible 60's all-star team.
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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 22:23

Battle of the Tactics
Part 2


5 game test, the tactic and XI used are the ones Oriello posted.
Cpu Vs CPU, top difficulty, normal condition (green) for both teams, auto subs for the opponent (6 allowed), no subs done on the 50's team unless there's an injury or red card. Night Time, Summer, Good Weather, Estádio da Luz, Classic Ball.

Game 1
1950's All Stars Vs Argentina All Stars

Argentina:
(3-5-1-1 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team)

Carrizo
Sensini
Passarela
Ayala
Redondo
Almeyda
Simeone
Burruchaga
Cannigia
Maradona
Batistuta

Also used:
Veron in for Cannigia, 56.

What a difference. A much more open game. Much more interesting to follow. The attack power of the 50's team was noticeable with a flock of players around the opposite area giving Carrizo and his 3 defenders a very hard time. But, on the other hand, the lack of an anchor player between the midfield and the attack gave some the Argentinians some needed space. They could get the ball to Cannigia, and from him to Maradona... Argentina started controling the midfield and had plenty of chances that ended up with a goal by Maradona, heading a cross from Almeyda. The 50's team counter was, however, vicious, and after winning a corner that followed one of those counter, the 50's team Center-Back/Forward scored... Quite a different game that the one in part one... The reason why the 50's only suffered one goal is called Yashin.

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1950's All Stars 2 - 1 Argentina All Stars
Maradona, assisted by Almeyda, 17.
John Charles, assisted by Didi, 45+.
Fontaine, assisted by Czibor, 47.

Best players (7.0), Maradona and Almeyda.

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Game 2
1950's All Stars Vs Germany All Stars

Germany:
(3-5-2 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team)

Maier
Kohler
Beckenbauer
Sammer
Matthaus
Breitner
Littbarski
Overath
Rummenigge
Voller
Klinsmann

Also used:
Fritz Walter for Overath, 84.
Kocsis in for Fontaine (injury), 88.

Again, a different game. Littbarski had space to move with the ball through the right and so Germany could develop a lot better. It was attack-counter attack all game long. Anyway, nothing can explain those 4-0 in the other game. It wouldn't happen again in 10 tries I reckon.

1950's All Stars 1 - 0 Germany All Stars
Didi, penalty, 84.

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Best players (6.5), Santamaria, Edwards, Didi, Czibor, Beckenbauer, Matthaus, Littbarski and Klinsmann.

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Game 3
1950's All Stars Vs England All Stars

England:
(4-4-2 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team - the game calls it 4-3-1-2 because Matthews is put as an MO instead of SM)
Banks
Moore
Adams
Pearce
Le Saux
Ball
Stiles
Charlton
Matthews
Lineker
Shearer

Also used:
This England team doesn't seem to like changing players.

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Now the 4 man defense test. England started the game on the attack but things eventually settled. Not many opportunities to score on this game, and most of those that existed were for England (Yashin saved 1 or 2 close shots). On extra-time, and after suffering a penalty spot goal (Stiles tackled Di Stéfano on the box), England gave up.

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1950's All Stars 2 - 0 England All Stars
Didi, penalty, 95.
Fontaine, 118.

Best players (7.0), Ocwirk and Le Saux.
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Game 4
1950's All Stars Vs Barcelona

Barcelona:
(4-3-3 default formation set by PES 2009 for this team)

Valdés
Puyol
Milito
D. Alves
Abidal
Touré
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Henry
Eto'o

Also used:
No subs.

Image

Barcelona started this game on the wrong foot. 2 - 0 down and they started trying to reverse the situation. Again, they stumbled on Yashin. When Henry scored, it was already too late.

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1950's All Stars 2 - 1 Barcelona
Puskas, assisted by Di Stéfano, 17.
Di Stéfano, 23.
Henry, assisted by Eto'o, 81.

Best players (7.0), Di Stéfano, Henry and Eto'o.

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Game 5
1950's All Stars Vs Inter Milan

Inter:
(formation is this one: viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1107))

Julio César
Córdoba
Samuel
Maicon
Chivu
Cambiasso
Zanetti
Muntari
Stankovic
Adriano
Ibrahimovic

Also used:
No subs.

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After being down, Inter remembered to start attacking. Not very brilliantly though. The 50's team was simply countering when they could, and when they did it was dangerous. And then came the 2nd.

1950's All Stars 2 - 0 Inter Milan
Puskas, 23.
Di Stéfano, 86.

Best player (7.0), Di Stéfano.
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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 21, 22:36

Sum-up

5 Wins. 0 Losses.

9 Scored, 2 Conceded.
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Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 21, 23:04

Waht a treat it was to read those reports with the supporting pics. :D I am just happy that my suggested formation actually did so well. I think I might have to treat myself to a PES 2009 for christmas, as in PES 5 3-2-5 does not work, it might one game, but it usually ends up being a blood bath. :P

Well I am glad for a personal triumph, watch out Sir Alex! there is a new manager in town. XD But it is sort of bad that both Santos' backs have no room to play =(. Remember that I was just trying to solve your dilemma of not having to remove quality forwards for defenders just to acheive a more balanced team, I did not meant to force this formation on the 1950's stars, who judging by the images need a better looking kit, sorry Peter80000. ;) :D It was just an idea. But the ultimate test would be to play the two sides against each other, with the same perssonnel.

EDIT: How did you get the formation on the first page to be its original size, I thought there wassome imagshack resizing that made it small like the one I posted. If there is just a link may you please post it.
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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 22, 00:04

Oriello wrote:Waht a treat it was to read those reports with the supporting pics. :D I am just happy that my suggested formation actually did so well. I think I might have to treat myself to a PES 2009 for christmas, as in PES 5 3-2-5 does not work, it might one game, but it usually ends up being a blood bath. :P

Well I am glad for a personal triumph, watch out Sir Alex! there is a new manager in town. XD But it is sort of bad that both Santos' backs have no room to play =(. Remember that I was just trying to solve your dilemma of not having to remove quality forwards for defenders just to acheive a more balanced team, I did not meant to force this formation on the 1950's stars, who judging by the images need a better looking kit, sorry Peter80000. ;) :D It was just an idea. But the ultimate test would be to play the two sides against each other, with the same perssonnel.

EDIT: How did you get the formation on the first page to be its original size, I thought there wassome imagshack resizing that made it small like the one I posted. If there is just a link may you please post it.


I tried uploading the full size image to imageshack first... Then I tried posting it but the forum complained it had to be smaller. So I edited the pic with MSPaint and shrunk it by 70% I think... Then uploaded it again...

When you upload to image shack there are a few links on the left, but if you click the image you just uploaded (once or maybe twice, until you have the full size image on your screen) and you can just copy the address from your browsers address bar.. That's the address to the full size picture you've uploaded...

By the way, could you send me a full size picture of the tactic you made so I can add it to the first page? I can add it to Imageshack myself if you prefer. Don't forget to write your screen name on the tactic. I've sent you a PM with my e-mail.

Oh... And congratulations for the win! I couldn't believe it myself... The problem is using this tactic against a human opponent playing with wide wingers :) . I'll add both the classic formation and the 442 to the first post.

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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 22, 00:13

Oriello wrote: did not meant to force this formation on the 1950's stars, who judging by the images need a better looking kit, sorry Peter80000. ;) :D


Yeah, I know. But the kit is wonderful compared to the logo... :o)
I never designed kits or logo's so I just wanted to get something decent. My base option file for pes 2009 is an OF I donwloaded in the PESFAN site I think. It had a Liverpool all stars semi team done.. With Mark Lawrenson and the likes... But it only had stats for 2 or 3 players. So I figured I din't want that team in my OF so I made the 50's team in their place. Changed kits, but couldn't remove the HITACHI add from the goalies kits!! Yes, you probably can't see it on the pics, but Yashin is sponsored by HITACHI! :ugeek:

By the way, I think I've lost the link to the flash tactics applett. (The graphical tactic thingie) could you post it, please?
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Postby ravlee » 2008 Dec 22, 00:38

Peter80000 wrote:
Oriello wrote: did not meant to force this formation on the 1950's stars, who judging by the images need a better looking kit, sorry Peter80000. ;) :D


Yeah, I know. But the kit is wonderful compared to the logo... :o)
I never designed kits or logo's so I just wanted to get something decent. My base option file for pes 2009 is an OF I donwloaded in the PESFAN site I think. It had a Liverpool all stars semi team done.. With Mark Lawrenson and the likes... But it only had stats for 2 or 3 players. So I figured I din't want that team in my OF so I made the 50's team in their place. Changed kits, but couldn't remove the HITACHI add from the goalies kits!! Yes, you probably can't see it on the pics, but Yashin is sponsored by HITACHI! :ugeek:

By the way, I think I've lost the link to the flash tactics applett. (The graphical tactic thingie) could you post it, please?


there u go CLICK
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Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 22, 00:41

http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tool3zu1.swf

That is the link that I used to creat the formation, I think there has been a misunderstanding, as that is the largest the formation craetor gets now. =( It was noticed on the old forum a few weeks ago that the size which you posted your formation is no longer avialble, so I cannot really make it much larger...I will run it through photoshop and increase resize it but it will be of a poorer resolution. Did you by any chance make your 4-4-2 formation some time back? A few weeks or months? That would explain why you have the good large size. ;)

If those are to be 50's kits then advertising must go to hell! The soul of football had yet to be sold, so no names on the kit even if it is UNicef. :x XD

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Edit:http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5967/325formationpost2largevf4.jpg
code for resized image, but has poorer resolution, and you are in luck my actual name is Name so no need to place it in there. :D
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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 22, 05:12

Oriello wrote:http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tool3zu1.swf

That is the link that I used to creat the formation, I think there has been a misunderstanding, as that is the largest the formation craetor gets now. =( It was noticed on the old forum a few weeks ago that the size which you posted your formation is no longer avialble, so I cannot really make it much larger...I will run it through photoshop and increase resize it but it will be of a poorer resolution. Did you by any chance make your 4-4-2 formation some time back? A few weeks or months? That would explain why you have the good large size. ;)


No, just made the formation yesterday I think. I found a link on this forum, but I can't seem to find it now, that directed me to a file (the .swf) file. I downloaded it and opened it with Firefox (should work with any other browser) and the size was big. The link you've posted only allows tampering with the .swf file, not downloading, but by right clicking and using "Zoom" you can notice the quality is still there when you zoom.

I've managed to work around the limitation (as you can see in the 1960's tactic).
Here's what you have to do: Create a new text file on your desktop (the .txt file). Now copy this text inside it: <object width='640' height='480'><embed src='http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2083/tool3zu1.swf' width='640' height='480'/></object>

Now save and exit. You should now have a SOMETHING.TXT file. Now change it to a SOMETHING.HTML file. Just change the termination. Now open it, it should open with your default browser. And Voilà! ;)
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Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 22, 21:58

Worked like a charm , thanks. =)

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Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 22, 22:46

Oriello wrote:Worked like a charm , thanks. =)

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Re: 1950's All Stars

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Jul 25, 19:37

Stanley Matthews link leads to an old site. New link: viewtopic.php?f=181&t=2655&hilit=Stanley%20MATTHEWS

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