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Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 May 08, 05:20

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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Apr 04, 16:45

I like it. Do you think that could keep the ds value?
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Paablito » 2014 Apr 04, 16:45

I would do a huge drop in his resp (low 70) and tw (low '60), he stays on one side of the pitch all the match, doesn't back or do does anything but when has the ball tries to do impossible incisive runs, maybe his acc could be a little worse, smth like 82 he does long steps but reach his ds with some difficulty, also ts should be worse than Piatti for example.
Moreover, always I find him with some good placements because has good st, more than that his sa maybe I wrong but I rated him in my OF with sa 76 and st 78

I'm not 100% acquainted whit all the pes 6 stars, but there is some star to highlight those "cuts"?
Btw, ★ Penalties really need it?
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby chamakh » 2014 Apr 04, 17:16

IMO his TS could be 77.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby vinnie » 2014 Apr 06, 10:58

Vickingo wrote:So, to summarize, what about these changes?

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Attack: 77 (-5)
Header Accuracy: 72 (-6)
Dribble Accuracy: 90 (-5)
Long Pass Accuracy: 78 (-4)
Shot Accuracy: 78 (-3)
Response: 77 (-2)
Explosive Power: 86 (-5) ???
Top Speed: 78 (-2)
Stamina: 74 (-3)
Jump: 77 (-2)
Form: 3 (-2) ??
Tenacity: 70 (-5)
Teamwork: 66 (-4) ???

that looks pretty drastic, dropping him in 5 points for da, do you really think that's happened?

i would recommend lowering acceleration to about 80-82, sure lowering agi by a bit even though i don't think it's entirely warranted, res, tw, tenacity and etc, but lowering da seems really really drastic. everything else besides da looks mostly ok, though it's just general lowering right? i'm going to save the current set as it is somewhere as i don't think a player can decline that much in just a season, it's just form issues, and not being used properly.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby chamakh » 2014 Apr 06, 15:13

vinnie wrote:i would recommend lowering acceleration to about 80-82, sure lowering agi by a bit even though i don't think it's entirely warranted, res, tw, tenacity and etc, but lowering da seems really really drastic. everything else besides da looks mostly ok, though it's just general lowering right? i'm going to save the current set as it is somewhere as i don't think a player can decline that much in just a season, it's just form issues, and not being used properly.


Well , this is the argentinean football. Horrible games , players irregular as hell . etc. :lol:

I have the chance to always see at Martinez because I'm a Boca´s fan. And it really is a completely different player that Velez time , seems slow without the ball, try to dribble where it should not and when it does it always lose the ball , scored very few goals (only two official goals since he stays in Boca), are very few the games in which Martinez has had a really good or decent performance, since he has come to Boca still a great signing and he has showed very little of the player who used to be. Although I agree it would have to retain their DA, maybe it's the only thing that showed in Boca, a good DA.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby pelimetal » 2014 Apr 08, 07:11

Nice changes that propose Victor, but I have a few tweaks about it:


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Scaramuso wrote:I'm agree with Lucas about balance, is enough strong when has to use his body, yesterday I saw him winning some times and receiving some fouls using his body very well.


Agree, I would put him 79 or 80 these days.


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Scaramuso wrote:I like it. Do you think that could keep the ds value?


I don´t think so. If he has DA 90 and DS 90 he would be a hell of dribbler, as in Vélez days. Actually It isn´t a form issue, he has lack of skills. DS needs a decrease.


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Paablito wrote:...maybe his acc could be a little worse, smth like 82 he does long steps but reach his ds with some difficulty, also ts should be worse than Piatti for example.
Moreover, always I find him with some good placements because has good st, more than that his sa maybe I wrong but I rated him in my OF with sa 76 and st 78


Like this.


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Paablito wrote:Btw, ★ Penalties really need it?


I don´t think so.


By the way, Vs Godoy Cruz had a good match, Goalkeeper made the penalty foul in first goal

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and made an assistance in the second one.

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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby chamakh » 2014 May 05, 21:31

Yesterday he scored two goals.

The first goal was pure luck.


But the second is an amazing goal




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I could not believe it when I saw it, Martinez scored two goals, is something not seen every day. :lol:
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Vickingo » 2014 May 06, 11:02

That was great, he seemed Vélez's JMM, but he scored the same amount of goals vs All Boys (2) than since he arrived to Boca (2).
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby chamakh » 2014 May 12, 00:34

Amazing DA here


In the last matches seems Vélez's Martinez but even so his decisions in attack are still pretty bad.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Jul 30, 14:59

Vickingo wrote:
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Attack: 77 (-5)
Header Accuracy: 72 (-6)
Dribble Accuracy: 90 (-5)
Long Pass Accuracy: 78 (-4)
Shot Accuracy: 78 (-3)
Response: 77 (-2)
Explosive Power: 86 (-5) ???
Top Speed: 78 (-2)
Stamina: 74 (-3)
Jump: 77 (-2)
Form: 3 (-2) ??
Tenacity: 70 (-5)
Teamwork: 66 (-4) ???


What about this? + I agree with Pablo about resp.

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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Malcolm X » 2014 Aug 11, 08:16

82 ATT? really?
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Paablito » 2014 Aug 11, 11:48

Malcolm X wrote:82 ATT? really?

Fuck no, :lol:
Is disgusting his level, since he came to Boca is frustrating how tries impossible runs with the ball on his feets, instead of give a simple pass and run to the empty spaces he tries pass through the defenders, a shame because he's a gift player his da is just flawless in many occasions, but c'mon dude, play simple and would be better for you.

I propose give him some tweaks here, form 4 (would be too much rate him on form 3 plus green/white sta and it: c, because when I simulate a tournament he loses many matches because his fatigue), acc low yellow, att and sa green, resp in white is a must imo. I have a headache rating ep, tw and ment, i want hear some opinions here.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Aug 11, 12:53

I agree.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby chamakh » 2014 Aug 18, 14:53

I am the only one who sees it very slow with and without the ball? It's incredible how much speed he lost in the last years.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Aug 19, 16:20

I think that is slower than before, but no slow.. but for sure deserves a lot of points less in speed.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Aug 19, 23:20

Probably keeping his da with current value and decreasing the rest of what I suggested would be ok, I can't believe how this guy is so irrelevant in the matches nowadays.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Paablito » 2014 Aug 22, 02:27

well, updated according to what were talking about him, i gave him a huge decrease in his resp instead of reduce a lot his tw, with those changes plus his form on 4 could be enough for now.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Aug 22, 14:59

Paablito wrote:tw (low '60), also ts should be worse than Piatti for example.


What happened with this?;

I don't think that he's best dribbler in the league now, and as chamak said he's slower.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby Paablito » 2014 Aug 22, 16:56

when he's on his day he's he best, but he fluctuates a lot his development through the matches, his form could be worse maybe as other values. Also I didn't touch his value in tw as i said "I have a headache rating ep, tw and ment", just i did a partially updated only reduced his att, sa, resp, form and lpa, let's wait how he development this tournament or some matches more.
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Re: Juan Manuel Martínez

Postby chamakh » 2015 Feb 17, 01:58

He needs a really low mentality value , fucking ghost.

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