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Seamus Coleman

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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Jez » 2010 Nov 18, 21:49

Updated ;) Wasn't 100% sure about adding the Speed Merchant Card, it's hard because being a ps2 user there's certain cards where despite having an understanding of what they're supposed to do, not having really ever witnessed them in game it's harder for me to comment. I agree totally in theory with it's inclusion though, so I await everyones approval ;)
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby John » 2010 Nov 22, 20:12

The way he spits, is sooo.... sexy :P
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 Apr 12, 00:06

There's no doubt he's faster than this, but I'm still not sure how :? I think it's the sight of him pumping his funny little legs that confuses me :lol:

I used to think he was more of a Acc>TS sort of player, but I've pretty much changed my mind over this. I'm thinking something along the lines of 87-88 for Top Speed, leaving his Acceleration as is. I would like other opinions for this though considering my confusion over his speed atm.

He's not overly agile for his height but maybe a slight one or two point raise could occur.

Dribble Speed is the main area he needs a raise in. He's not too worried about his control, prefering more of a punt and run method. I won't complain though, with his pace he's quite effective at it. I was thinking this could sit at a similar value to what I suggested for Top Speed. So Dribble Speed: 88.

Looking at values for his crossing I don't really mind what he sits on currently, but I do remember wanting a raise for him when I was watching Everton more at the start of the season.

For shooting he's really not the greatest at it, but I do think his accuracy is better than his technque. I think SA: 70/71 and ST: 67/68 could do the trick here.

Header is one thing that needs a boost. He's scored a few headers this season, albeight it free ones, but they have shown some decent accuracy. I haven't really noticed much of a leap from him though. He usually doesn't even bother jumping when heading. Header: 76 Jumping: ?

Mentality does need quite a substantial boost as well. He really does try his heart out, the lad, and provides a lot of help for Cap'n Phil on the right, with his pace and hassling. I think the value that Stu initially had him on in his set would do. Mentality: 81

I'd give him *Side too. It tends to control on-the-ball, rather than off-the-ball movement and Coleman has a pretty frequent tendency to attempt to beat his marker for pace by dribbling outside of him.

Teamwork is another stat that probably needs more discussion too. Even with *Dribbling and *Tactical Dribbling he tends to look to pass the ball off rather than go for it himself. I'm pretty sure this due to his low value for DA. I've tested him in game with the Irish NT and someone like Paul Green, with a higher value for TW, but higher dribbling stats, tends to hold on to the ball longer. Lowering his TW might help compensate for this.

How's that Paddy? :P
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby BigStu » 2011 Apr 13, 15:10

given him an update
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 Apr 14, 14:11

I do hope your not taking my opinion for gospel with some of these changes :P
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby BigStu » 2011 Apr 14, 15:32

I do watch everton too you know ;)
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Paddy » 2011 Apr 14, 20:00

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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 May 31, 11:24

I honestly liked his Dribble Acc on 78 Paddy. Baines often looks like he has more skill on the ball than Seamus and he sits on 78 currently.

His quite substandard ball control while dribbling is one of the main reasons he still looks like a makeshift winger when played out wide on the right. If he can improve that part of his game he might actually be the true answer to our right midfield problems.

Also does he need such a high Stamina value? He pretty much always gets subbed off in matches due to fatigue and his fitness is probably the other main thing holding him back from being a good player, rather than just a promising one.
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Paddy » 2011 May 31, 13:51

I may be thinking of back when he was at Sligo, I've always thought of him as a better than average dribbler, one who'd be around an 80, sort of similar in dribbling ability to Gareth Bale in which he can punt it and run or move quickly on it yet sometimes get it caught up in his feet, I didn't think 80 would have been too high.





It can definitely imrpove, but I do think he's quite good, not excellent and there definitely is room for improvement.

As for the fatigue statement, he does an awful lot of running and it can make a player fade, and to be honest it could be a tactical solution for him not playing the 90, although, I never believed that with Torres at Liverpool, so I'm going to take your word for it, what value were you thinking of?
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 May 31, 15:08

I was thinking 82/83 for Stamina. He does a lot of running, but to me at least, it does have an effect on him later on in games. I can't question his commitment though.

I like how at the start of that first video you posted he almost manages to trip over the ball though :lol: Also looking at that first video he's doing a lot of 'R2 style' slow dribbling, which helps to make him look better than he really is on the ball.
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Paddy » 2011 Jun 02, 16:46

I wouldn't be against such a value due to him being subbed in/off quite late in games and not having proven himself, he runs a hell of a lot though when he does play, and at Sligo he finished a lot of games. I'd agree to a drop, what values should be changed so?
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 Jun 02, 23:05

As I've mentioned above, Stamina: 83 and putting Dribble Acc. back to 78 would be my suggestions for him ;)
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 Aug 30, 01:03

Vranny wrote:As I've mentioned above, Stamina: 83 and putting Dribble Acc. back to 78 would be my suggestions for him ;)

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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Gugu » 2011 Aug 30, 10:06

Updated ;)
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Tom » 2011 Aug 30, 11:19

Surely a Team Work boost is in order?

After being blooded into the side last season, Coleman seemed to work well within the Everton unit (bar a blip in form towards the latter half of the last season). He seems to have a good knowledge of the movement of the his colleagues. Likewise, Coleman is generally available in space when one of his team-mates looks to lay off a pass. Yes, it is quite apparent that he is a relatively individualistic player. Looking to cut inside rather than go around a full-back and lay in a cross (and when he does, his crosses are often erratic). However, it is imperative that we realise that "regulating individualistic capabilities" is only a small part of the Team Work attribute, and that it is largely an attribute that affects how well a player links up with his team-mates and his cohesiveness within the team. I would look to raise this attribute towards a 79, although it could go 1 point in either direction of this value.

Oh, and needless to say that Incisive Run is needed. Look at the Guardian Chalkboard heat-maps, he spends a far greater percentage of his movement in zones looking to move inside rather than go around. Here's a neat example from when he came on as a sub against Wigan last season (http://i.imgur.com/l4t6L.png).

And Response, surely a little harsh?
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Phil » 2011 Aug 30, 13:01

With regards to Team Work, Coleman will often try to make himself available for a pass out on the right, I agree, but I am not so sure I agree with you on his level of cohesiveness and understanding of his teammates. He seems to be a part of the Walcott/Wright-Phillips school of how to be an indecisive, asinine headless chicken with/without the ball (probably a bit harsh like...) and will often misread passes (Attack also an influence though) and his creative output/vision is pretty poor (Passing also an influence). Nonetheless I could agree with a +1 here, which would put him 1 below Albrghton and 1 above Bily, which seems fair imo.

I'd also raise Response to 78, 1 above Bily.
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 Oct 30, 02:51

He's often been very invisible this season, but he killed it at times today. This was the first match where I've actually been really impressed by his DA and his Agility was brilliant. He was crossing quite consistently well too. These stats will all need raises if he continues in the same direction. His Technique is still inconsistent as f**k though.

He's starting to look like the pacey right winger we've been screaming out for, rather than a stop gap.
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby VUKDS » 2011 Nov 05, 13:34

ACC 85-----87?He's got bigger acceleration than Danny Simpson(86).
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Vranny » 2011 Nov 05, 13:44

He's turned into such a dribbling wizard recently. If he can keep up his current form Acc, Agi and DA all need raising.

I might try and do a set for him if I have the time actually.
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Re: Seamus COLEMAN

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Nov 07, 19:19

Hope you find the time, would love to se it.
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