Personally I dont think he such a poor defender. I mean, he started out as a CB (remember his debut vs FC Twente for example? And I remember him player at the Toulon Tournament in the Dutch U20 as a CB aswell) and wasnt totally crap at that. Bovenberg is a worser defender in my opinion, the fact that Bovenberg seems more spirited/tenacious (and scored more headers:P) then vd Wiel doesnt take away that basically every left winger run past him. In general I think the side backs in NL are okay, the downside is that they actually have left and right forwards against them. In England is you are a left back, you barely ever have a real side-forward against you, more often those players are more like side-midfielders like Kuyt, Bale, who also have defensive responsibilities.FernandoA13 wrote:I agree, but then again all the Dutch followers should discuss the DEF ladders for SB in the Eredivisie. There are a few misjudgements/outdated players. Example Daan Bovenberg who DEF isnt that bad (for the Dutch League) sits on 67 while Vd Wiel has 70. Daley Blind with all respect doesnt deserve to be on par with Erik Pieters. Mihai Nesu (i know he is seriuos injured) deserves more then just 64 DEF. IMO he is one of the league's top DEF SB. Milano Koenders 70 is a bit high compared to others. And so on. Ill wait till Fides or Ajacied_Breda reacts to our post. Maybe we could look at these things and more.
FernandoA13 wrote:Okay ill be the first by saying this. MENT: 70. Isnt a bad number from the new standards. Imo even could be lower.
Malakayi wrote:I'd like to discuss his DEF once again, him sitting on such a high value is a slap in the face for every Side-Back that does not suck major balls at defending. And no, I do not consider him having played a handful of matches as CB years ago as a legit reason. Very low 60's should be max for van der Wiel.
thor34 wrote:JUMP: 80/81/82. Digestible methionine and leap up to splice the header. From what I saw the half-length coat will easily to Angeleri.
mracho wrote: Well, then he/she was an idiom with a T at the end.
Mr. Evans wrote:Yes definitely lower DEF. I've been saying that for years. Agree with a MENT decrease as well. And he needs lower BAL, RES, AGI and TW as well.
EDIT: He could use higher SP btw. That's not the first time he's hit a shot with good power.
Fides wrote:Some slight updates. Thanks for the input guys.
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