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Alexandre Lacazette

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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Ocrin » 2018 Jan 14, 01:12

His DS should be lower IMO. He's got a nice touch and nice DA but isn't able to consistently carry the ball at higher speeds; at least, that's not really part of his game.
Of course, the current 83 isn't anything crazy but it looks slightly overrated for a player like him, especially with his other speed stats being very good.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby false 9 » 2018 Jan 14, 14:02

I'm a big fan of this guy and was very excited when he signed for us, for whatever reason when he first joined I expected him to be a sort of predatory, poacherish striker who'd use his exceptional speed and movement to break the D-line, but from what I've seen he's looked even a little sluggish at times. I definitely haven't noticed this level of speed. His stamina seems lower as well, it's been a constant source of frustration for us this season that he seems to regularly get subbed off after 60+ minutes, probably deserves a green value. The agility value also looks dubious but it's true he shows really nice and quick turns to create space at times.

On the flip side his hold up play and ability to play with his back to goal has looked really good, he contributes in other ways apart from scoring and that's something that really surprised me at first. I haven't seen much to justify the dribbling star, if anything I think he might deserve tactical dribbling considering his ability to hold off players and retain possession.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby vinnie » 2018 Jan 18, 22:37

glad you brought up his hold up play. i've been impressed by his success in this ability because i didn't expect that capability based on what little i knew about him with Lyon. I think the reason he's been successful is because he's quite strong actually. i recall that my impression for lacazette has been about 85 bb.

But on the other hand, as you and ocrin said, he's also been much less explosive than the values he has at the moment- but reading Adrien's comments in the previous pages it's evident this is a trend along his evolution throughout his career as he's moved away from being a speedy winger and presumably adding more muscle and thus becoming stronger and sturdier, but also less nimble and less explosive.

i can't really say much about the set as it is. i honestly have quite a few differences in how i see lacazette based on the 3 or so matches i've seen him in against the current set, but i haven't watched enough to be sure.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Adrien » 2018 Sep 03, 19:14

I"m just reading all you wrote last season. Like vinnie said, yeah Lacazette was firstly, during the age of Lisandro at Lyon, a winger, with amazing pace in his body movements, I remember nonobus (french mod at this time) rated him 93 agi. And When Gomis and Lisandro moved he was replaced as a CF. He started with difficulties but he worked hard to improve. He always played not like a poacher, but like a guy always coming back on fields to build opportunities for his partner. He need space and ball on feet far of the box to show all his skillset. Then he becames stronger, started improving so much his first touches, and he made what nobody makes since Papin in Ligue 1. First french player scoring 20+ goals during three consecutive seasons.

Moving to Arsenal is something dificult for him because he was from Lyon academy, he was playing with Umititi, Tolisso, Gonalons, etc all the guys he plays with since the age of 16. He was in a confort zone, everything was good for him. Moving to a team he has all to prove is difficult for that kind of guy. He'll need times I guess. Don't know how is evolving as he made a bad season for his first here. But It seems acc and agi seems to have reduce in his skillset according to your comments.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Adrien » 2018 Oct 07, 17:03

I watched highlights and vs video of him at Arsenal. I just updated him with your suggestions guys wich looks pretty spot on. Also he looks sharper than before. I raised response to 81. He's always in movements and waiting for one-two or always going quickly to the box after he made the pass to an unmarked side player. Seems in good form right now.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby false 9 » 2018 Oct 07, 20:22

I feel his acceleration could be lower still, and so far I feel he's shown himself as more proficient in short passes than long. Other than that I feel this is a reasonable representation of him, though I would also keep an eye out on his technique which at times I think has been worthy of a value in the 90's. Technically every area of his game is refined, but his first touch in particular can be exceptional
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby tomitos » 2018 Oct 30, 18:42

I think 85 of attack prowess is very low for him, for his current game I think he deserves the same as Aubameyang. On the other hand, considering that he has 85 of balance, 85 of dribble accuracy, 85 of technique and 86 of agility, I believe that his combination of BC and PC is a bit low. I suggest the following values:
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby false 9 » 2018 Dec 11, 03:21

I feel as though everytime I watch him play now he shows himself to be more technically rounded than the last time, for a striker I consider him to be a very competent passer of the ball, his awareness of teammates and his sense of when to release the ball is important to Arsenal's fluid style of play. A lesser striker might find it difficult but Lacazette's shown himself to excel at both holding the ball up and bringing teammates into play with 1-touch passes. I would consider him a high green, possibly 80s area of spa

Technically I feel his game is just so refined, his close control is good, his passing is good, and I feel his first touch is part of what makes him such a good cf. It's not flashy but the ball stays glued to him a lot of time and he is excellent at creating space for a shot or pass with his first touch (his goal I think against liverpool? was a good example of this). Very clean in general and I would consider him a high 80s in tech, very technically gifted cf

edit: I think if he can continue to pull off the same level of technique at a consistently high standard/show exceptional level technique more often I could potentially see him push for a value in the 90s
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Whoah10115 » 2019 Jan 19, 18:06

false 9 wrote:I feel as though everytime I watch him play now he shows himself to be more technically rounded than the last time, for a striker I consider him to be a very competent passer of the ball, his awareness of teammates and his sense of when to release the ball is important to Arsenal's fluid style of play. A lesser striker might find it difficult but Lacazette's shown himself to excel at both holding the ball up and bringing teammates into play with 1-touch passes. I would consider him a high green, possibly 80s area of spa

Technically I feel his game is just so refined, his close control is good, his passing is good, and I feel his first touch is part of what makes him such a good cf. It's not flashy but the ball stays glued to him a lot of time and he is excellent at creating space for a shot or pass with his first touch (his goal I think against liverpool? was a good example of this). Very clean in general and I would consider him a high 80s in tech, very technically gifted cf

edit: I think if he can continue to pull off the same level of technique at a consistently high standard/show exceptional level technique more often I could potentially see him push for a value in the 90s



He's not a 90 if David Villa is not.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby false 9 » 2019 Jan 20, 01:17

Whoah10115 wrote:He's not a 90 if David Villa is not.


Alright? I haven't watched Villa in a long time so I'm in no position to comment on comparisons between him and Laca. I still feel like Laca's an orange tech player regardless.

Him and Auba pressed well today, that isn't something I particularly noticed in previous games but in terms of knowing when to press they were really in sync. Both looked lively, hounding players and keeping Chelsea and the defenders specifically penned in their own third of the pitch at times. It definitely felt like at least for the first 20 minutes or so Chelsea couldn't handle the press whatsoever, and Laca and Auba played a big part in that. I am beginning to feel that his style of play (constant supportive movement, dropping deep, drifting out wide, willingness to defend from the front) requires a higher sta value.

I don't get the impression he's as quick as 87 acc implies and 81 ds feels excessive for someone who looks largely like a retention dribbler.

I've come to accept that a lot of my preconceived notions of him as a player were dead wrong, and I now consider him closer to a Firmino analog in terms of his playing style. His short passing ability is part of what makes him so effective in this role, and I'm confident at this point that he's minimum 80 spa and higher sps. He should've had an assist today from a driven cross but Auba scuffed the connection completely.

I think he could be up there with the best in the Prem in terms of st, he is exceptional at getting shots off from awkward angles and tight spaces, total st > sa player to me. Could see him on something like high yellow value, not sure of many Prem strikers who are better than him in this regard personally. Kane, maybe Aguero? If that?

Not too sure about the interplay of agg, tw, and res re movement, but his supportive movement is a great boon and integral to the role that he plays in our team.

If I were to rate his best attributes in order it would be tec, st, att.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm rehashing opinions, I feel I should clarify my observations after todays game
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Whoah10115 » 2019 Jan 22, 01:47

false 9 wrote:
Whoah10115 wrote:He's not a 90 if David Villa is not.


Alright? I haven't watched Villa in a long time so I'm in no position to comment on comparisons between him and Laca. I still feel like Laca's an orange tech player regardless.

Him and Auba pressed well today, that isn't something I particularly noticed in previous games but in terms of knowing when to press they were really in sync. Both looked lively, hounding players and keeping Chelsea and the defenders specifically penned in their own third of the pitch at times. It definitely felt like at least for the first 20 minutes or so Chelsea couldn't handle the press whatsoever, and Laca and Auba played a big part in that. I am beginning to feel that his style of play (constant supportive movement, dropping deep, drifting out wide, willingness to defend from the front) requires a higher sta value.

I don't get the impression he's as quick as 87 acc implies and 81 ds feels excessive for someone who looks largely like a retention dribbler.

I've come to accept that a lot of my preconceived notions of him as a player were dead wrong, and I now consider him closer to a Firmino analog in terms of his playing style. His short passing ability is part of what makes him so effective in this role, and I'm confident at this point that he's minimum 80 spa and higher sps. He should've had an assist today from a driven cross but Auba scuffed the connection completely.

I think he could be up there with the best in the Prem in terms of st, he is exceptional at getting shots off from awkward angles and tight spaces, total st > sa player to me. Could see him on something like high yellow value, not sure of many Prem strikers who are better than him in this regard personally. Kane, maybe Aguero? If that?

Not too sure about the interplay of agg, tw, and res re movement, but his supportive movement is a great boon and integral to the role that he plays in our team.

If I were to rate his best attributes in order it would be tec, st, att.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm rehashing opinions, I feel I should clarify my observations after todays game


I think his BB is underrated. Not here, but in the PL his balance and strength, along with some class, I think are a big reason for what may appear 90 tech. Which is not me saying that's all you see, but the only way I can respond.

His tech should go up to 87 I think. His ST could maybe go orange, tho maybe his accuracy and definitely SP could take a boost.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby BigStu » 2019 Jan 25, 21:21

Ways he’s been tracking back recently could be a candidate for that card
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby pcrooce » 2019 Apr 01, 22:47

great great finish and amazing header pass from Auba and Lascelles mistake just letting him through thinking the keeper may got it.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Free Glenn Helder » 2019 Oct 19, 12:04

I'm personally not so sure about having him on 90 attack. I consider him an intelligent, well rounded player with excellent technical qualities, but also a player who is missing that special something that elevates an individual to the level of world class. I will admit I don't have the greatest understanding of how the attack stat manifests in game, but if it's a measure of a players ability to influence a game in an attacking sense, then I am curious as to whether the rest of the forum would consider Lacazette worthy of 90+, which in my mind represents near enough world class attacking capabilities. Though he offers more than Auba, between the two of them I would rather see Auba on a 90+ value for attack, but maybe that's just me. Were I to rate him independently of the current value, I'd probably put him somewhere between mid to high 80s. Saying that, I also consider attack one of the harder stats to rate, so I am willing to defer judgement in this case to the rest of the forum.

I'm glad his strength has been recognised - for a player who isn't of particularly great stature he really does a good job of using his body to shield the ball and maintain possession, and he's no pushover in physical duels either.

Stamina absolutely has to be higher. He shows a great desire to press from the front and to drop deep to support the player in possession. His range of supportive movement is impressive, and would be extremely difficult to emulate in game with a stamina value as limiting as the current one. I would rate him somewhere along the lines of 83-85 stamina.

He could arguably be slower, I've noticed in his time with us that pace isn't particularly an important aspect of his game. I would honestly consider something along the lines of 80 top speed and 82 acceleration. If he is quick then he doesn't really utilise his pace much at all. I would also consider raising his agility but not by much, perhaps a point or so. In terms of dribble speed, though it's true he doesn't often take players on with pace, he's shown a reasonable ability to drive into spaces with the ball once he's passed a player. He's not exceptional in this regard but I think a 74 is excessively limiting, something along the lines of a 77/78 I think is more appropriate.

I really like the current combination of short passing stats - he does seem to have a problem putting the appropriate weight on passes, which sometimes lets him down and which I feel is conveyed well by his relatively low short passing speed. I've noticed other users have mentioned potentially giving him an 80 value for his short passing accuracy, and honestly for the quality of his link up play I would say this could be quite an appropriate value. I think it could work really well with a lowish short passing speed.

In terms of his shooting stats, I would consider lowering shot accuracy maybe by a point or two, and raising shot technique to around the area of 86/87 maybe? He's not as clinical as I would like, but he does have a penchant for getting shots on target from tighter angles and relatively confined spaces. Definite shot technique > shot accuracy player for me. Shot power could also come up to about mid 80s, when it comes to combining power with accuracy and technique I consider him one of the better PL strikers.

Free kick accuracy should come up, he's actually scored freekicks for us before, even if he isn't necessarily our first choice taker, or even in contention for free kicks at times. Deserves more than a standard value in my opinion, at least something like a 73/74.

I like the current technique value but would honestly keep an eye on potentially raising it, his touch is immaculate even when he's under pressure or in tight spaces. If there's an area of his game where I would consider him potentially top tier/world class, it's his first touch and overall technique.

I feel aggression could come down some. Movement-wise it's far more common to see him dropping deep to help the team retain possession, rather than attacking the spaces behind defenders. Honestly this is another difficult stat for me to rate, but I would personally have him somewhere around 83 or 82, maybe even lower. I don't think he's a striker who's particularly suited to playing counter attacking football, he's very seldom ever our most advanced forward.

In general though I would say this is a great set for a great player, kudos to the forum for doing an excellent job of emulating him in game.

edit: I'd also like to mention in regards to mentality that 9 of his 13 goals last season were game-winning, for what it's worth.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Adrien » 2019 Oct 19, 13:58

Firstly welcome on the forum, and thanks for your appreciate feedback. Nice post :)

Then, I'll speak about the 90 value for attack, wich I gave him when he was on Ligue 1. Attack used to be rated as intelligence for some players, but in fact it's more how much a player is involve in goals scoring opportunities for his team. The higher is his value, the more his impact on goals scoring are important in the game.
We also have to deal with differences of level between leagues. That's a current important subject in the mod team. For example Ligue 1 is under EPL. So giving a value like 90 for Lacazette, need to be put with caution. You could also be pretty sure of the value, been pretty sure like I was for Lacazette, that the player is world class and would perform like that in every big leagues or clubs. But sometimes it doesn't happend, because football is not a science, you have many humans parameters. Lacazette joined Lyon in 2003 at the age of 12 years old and stayed almost 15years there. It's something hard for a player to leave his former club where you know everybody and go to another universe, with a different culture, different languages, people in the staff wich might not be as close as you was with the ones who knew you since you a child at Lyon. Also I bet Lacazette motivation or at least focus on goals scoring get worse because Deschamps absolutely never called him in NT altought he displayed incredible performance. We all know some player focus on there stats for some reasons like NT, Ballon d'Or, etc... because sadly that's the first thing people use to judge a forward.

Between 2014 and 2017, Lacazette scored 76 goals in Ligue 1 and gave 11 assists. No one reached that number as a french forward since Jean-Pierre Papin. He also showed Cavani-esque and Ihrahimovic-esque number at that times. That was very impressive. His performance was even greater that he firstly played as a quick winger at Lyon with Lisandro or Gomis. Then when both left, he been put as a forward, role that he never played. And he started getting stronger, improving so much his shooting, his first touches. And he turned like a gift forward. Even with considering the differences of level between leagues, we had enough experience with many high yellow or orange/red forward to know that Lacazette was worth 90 at that times. But sadly it looks he didn't had the same sucess at Arsenal (only 27 goals and 12 assist in EPL in two seasons).

I'm not following Arsenal, but it could have some questions/explanations, except the fact I already told that he left his confort zone at Lyon and came to another league, country, football. As a player he looks to have turned more like a team player.
Playing the role of a pure Dummy Runner player in a 4-4-2 or at least to let the pure forward role at Aubameyang. A bit like Benzema did for CR7 at Madrid so.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Viyut » 2019 Oct 21, 17:46

Lacazette went through a period where things weren't working well for him at Arsenal. Between hitting the post and missing some unusual goals it could be said he didn't play to his full potential at first. And while he was very important to the team in the way he played, he didn't score an impressive tally. I'd say the comparison to Benzema is a valid one.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette

Postby Dío » 2020 Jan 01, 23:07

Maybe its time to reduce his attack a bit and raise his def/teamwork, very obstinate without the ball

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