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João Félix

Postby PES Stats Database » 2019 Jan 18, 17:48

Full Name: João Félix Sequeira
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Re: João Félix

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Re: João Félix

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Re: João Félix

Postby jurgens » 2019 Aug 02, 16:48

FixerToday at 4:56 PM
joorgens so worried about his stamina
it is pretty impressive for a kid his age i still stick to his current 82-83

OcrinToday at 4:56 PM
what about the rest of his set?

FixerToday at 4:56 PM
took him no time to apply himself to defensive duties, although theres much room for improvement
well the idea is overall good but i think we can all agree it's even underwhelming for what he's been showing but what are we to do
lets give him some official competition imo

robToday at 5:30 PM
i think its safe to up his passimg though
https://youtu.be/Hs20PuKmjpk?t=121
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João Felix vs MLS All Stars (01/08/2019) Pre-Season

like this pass here
seeing that move so quickly
way before it happens
https://youtu.be/Hs20PuKmjpk?t=182
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João Felix vs MLS All Stars (01/08/2019) Pre-Season

and that tech/pass lol

OcrinToday at 5:35 PM
you know you want to inflate that set
DONT HOLD BACK

FixerToday at 5:35 PM
yeah his passing is great
i thought it was trippier who assisted costa

robToday at 5:36 PM
im very sure hes in 90s for tech
its too calm

FixerToday at 5:36 PM
his oriented touch though

robToday at 5:36 PM
under pressure

FixerToday at 5:36 PM
he keeps it going so quickly
when receiving it

robToday at 5:36 PM
perfect hole player

FixerToday at 5:36 PM
i mean if u're gonna be fair on what he's shown
ure gonna have to upgrade a few things
thoughts on SA? current value may be fair, i bet he will have mid 80's for SA and SP before season's end
unless something weird happens

robToday at 5:38 PM
yeah for sure

OcrinToday at 5:38 PM
his sa looks pretty crazy
like
really

robToday at 5:38 PM
his sp is definitly quite good

FixerToday at 5:38 PM
saw a couple kid shots too though
he could have a lower ST if we had ST
but SA is superb

OcrinToday at 5:38 PM
i think his st can stay low
but sp/sa combo is undoubtedly great

FixerToday at 5:39 PM
DA looks ok at 85 for now

OcrinToday at 5:39 PM
i'm not overly impressed with his dribbling actually

FixerToday at 5:39 PM
what about his TS

OcrinToday at 5:40 PM
i think he was at 83 da some time ago
and it was fine

FixerToday at 5:40 PM
i think hes very skilled

OcrinToday at 5:40 PM
ts looks like high greens

FixerToday at 5:40 PM
but doesnt need more for now

OcrinToday at 5:40 PM
yeah but what i've seen looks more like tech than da

FixerToday at 5:40 PM
imo he gets away with things due to other factors
ye

OcrinToday at 5:40 PM
timing

FixerToday at 5:40 PM
i think hes smart on dribbling
yeah

OcrinToday at 5:40 PM
he's super intelligent
yeah

robToday at 5:40 PM
hes just very calm
i have him on 87

OcrinToday at 5:41 PM
kinda like mbappé?
he's got great ability to take on because he's just too smart on how he uses his ability within their limits

robToday at 5:41 PM
i think his control and ability to to what needs to be done is very good

FixerToday at 5:41 PM
i think joao felix's speed lack in comparison will make him much better
mbappe can exploit space and knows how he can get the ball back if he punts

OcrinToday at 5:41 PM
well félix definitely has much better close control than mbapps

FixerToday at 5:41 PM
but joao has it right down under control all the time
theres just nothing overtly impressive to the naked eye
you can just see his ball protection is amazing
kinda reminds me of oliver torres there

OcrinToday at 5:42 PM
yeah
he's shown good bb
he's actually pretty good physically

FixerToday at 5:42 PM
and oliver torres was never given more than mid 80's i think

OcrinToday at 5:42 PM
stands well on his legs, nice jumping
i think that comes into consideration too, he's never off balance or something even when physically pressured

FixerToday at 5:43 PM
yea
its true hes hardly ever off balance

OcrinToday at 5:43 PM
he had a few nice headed attempts with benfica too

FixerToday at 5:43 PM
either knock him down or he'll come back

OcrinToday at 5:43 PM
what's his jumping like?

FixerToday at 5:43 PM
havent noticed

OcrinToday at 5:43 PM
i think i upgraded him a few months ago
to greens
not sure

robToday at 5:43 PM
whats his TW look like

FixerToday at 5:44 PM
its hard to tell playing for atletico
theres just so much extra support sorounding you
the current value is along the fine line
oh

OcrinToday at 5:44 PM
well, at benfica he did seem to roam a lot upfront

FixerToday at 5:44 PM
thought he was 80
lol
hes 75

OcrinToday at 5:44 PM
he should be on low aggression
like greens
and slightly higher tw
imo

FixerToday at 5:45 PM
he deserves higher imo
needs 1 touch pass

robToday at 5:47 PM
defintly
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Re: João Félix

Postby Lockstar » 2019 Aug 03, 00:32

Just a few things. Jump in low 80's... He's not strong enough to sustain any kind of physical contact in the air but has quite a leap.
STA, I just don't see yellows right now. He slows down around 60 minutes more often than not. He still runs but clearly without much energy.
Could point out a few more things but they are minor tbh (SP, WFA, WFF, etc...)
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Re: João Félix

Postby LaitP » 2019 Aug 03, 00:46

For the newly added 1 touch pass to his stats, does that mean first touch pass or first time shoot or both in PES2019?
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Re: João Félix

Postby Morón » 2019 Aug 04, 20:00

I just want to say a bit more about Felix and what's my experience

I watched more than a few full games of Benfica, to see him, and simply to enjoy some football. Bruno Lage, the coach of Benfica since january, played a 4-4-2 system, with Felix being a right centre forward, playing mostly alongside Haris Seferović.

Benfica played out from the back, giving their centre backs, a lot of time on the ball, with their fullback's pushing forward, to clear the wider areas and give them more ball carrying opportunities. Benfica midfielders were mainly not trying to drop back to recieve the ball there, except for Gabriel Pires, a midfielder who sometimes used to go drift wide on the left hand side of the pitch, to recieve a short pass from Ferro, a very creative young centre back. Midfielders, and players upfront were NOT trying to pick the ball early, they moved forward, and tried to find position in between the lines. Wide midfielders, as the ball moved forward, pushed narrower and narrower, to overload central areas, and drag fullbacks with them to eventually create a situation where the players in possession can play a pass to overlaping fullbacks, exploiting that free space created by movement of 'wingers'.

I am writing this basics of how Benfica played, because i want to notice that Felix simply wasn't asked and supposed to be very supportive towards the ball, drop deep and act like a deep lying forward or whatnot. But, then again, i thought Felix really enjoyed the role of player who is waiting for things to happend, and he was really innactive and i remember watching the game just because of him and being like "wow, i haven't seen anything from him in 30 minutes" while, even though he played upfront as well, Seferović was more keen to move around and find pockets of spaces to recieve the ball. He definetely pressed a lot more. Sometimes, i thought he should be more eager to recieve the ball in those pockets of spaces. Sometimes, he also didn't follow the course of action. For instance, if Benfica played a back pass because in certain moment that was the best scenario, to just play a pass to centre back's and goalkeeper, and let players reposition, he just walked back slower than others.

So basically, even considering that coach asked him to play very high on the pitch, i could notice stuff that i just mentioned.

The thing with Felix is that he's a really clever player, unselfish who really enjoys linking up with players. And when the ball arives in the final third, that's where he shines. He's a brilliant roamer, shooter, and can pass too. He is so smart and ancitipate things extremely well. But, i don't think he's very helpful in getting the ball to the final third. I think he's the guy that will score the biggest portion of goals when everything is going well. But he won't be a talisman, he can't drive the team forward, and isn't a leader of any kind. At least at the moment, that's my opinion based on what i've seen. Maybe i am wrong, maybe nobody expected that from him? Because my feel that people expect that overall ALL ROUND impact from him is the main reason for my little party and explaining here.

Rob has done a brilliant job in terms of technical values, and i am not gonna discuss any values, because obviously even after years on PSD i have degenerated views on some stats, especially TW :D I just wanted to say what i think of him.

In Madrid he'll definetely be used on the right, but ofcourse with many tactical assignments. During the friendly Madrileno i noticed that both him and Lemar played very narrowly between the lines sometimes to clear the side for attacking fullbacks, also being supportive on the flanks with his back to goal to hold the ball up and again allow a fullback to go forward, so that + everything else in terms of creating and scoring goals in the final third, it will be very very interesting to see how will he adapt to another level of tasks and assignments from the coach. Not sure he's really up for that and i can potentially see him struggling for minutes even, at one point of the season.
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Re: João Félix

Postby Morón » 2019 Aug 11, 11:20

Sometimes i feel like shit for slating him! I still think everything i said. Except in the last third, i can't see him being a truly complete player. The thing why i am saying that, is that he obviously has the qualities to do so, technically! But i just don't see that in him. Even when he play in half spaces and in what is supposed to be a more supportive role, like yesterday against Juventus just for instance, whenever i see him far from goal, i see disinterest in him. He'll drop and recieve the ball, pass the ball, but his body language screams "BOOORING".

But fucking hell, he's so good in the final third, as i always said. His ability to attack depth, connect with the cross, score in many ways. Just impressive, this guy is a magnet for goals. Sometimes, he strikes me as a player that should have all the special abilities and cards available that makes scoring easier. Free roaming, reaction, positioning, Fox in the box. Name it, he can score every kind of goals. Also, don't get me wrong, he's not selfish! Being lazy away from goal doesn't mean you're selfish. Whenever he is in the final third, he'll go for one two's, he'll link up, he'll pass, so CLEVER. He's just a huge asset there, i just still don't think he's the talisman, the main man, i don't see a potential one either. He'll be the best player statistically whenever things go well.
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Re: João Félix

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Re: João Félix

Postby jurgens » 2019 Aug 26, 17:36

I'd say his DA is in the 90's. His ability to do what he wants with the ball and keep it under control at all times is extremly impressive, much like with his tech, he can get the ball in any situation and always hang onto it. Probably need to see more from him in Atletico to confirm it, but I'm pretty sure on it.
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Re: João Félix

Postby Morón » 2019 Sep 03, 03:03

I'm really curious to see the Felix solution! I hate myself for being a contrarian all the time, and even though i mentioned how intelligent and talented Felix is, i would like to apologise to him and to all of his fans for saying something that is true, but hiding some other facts that would make things sound different, and, more accurate.

Felix has recently been the Atletico player with fewest touches in several games. But to be fair, as i already was a month ago in that second post, it's not his fault. It's nobodies ''fault'', it's just a fact that is heavily related to tactics and probably the way to use him in the best possible way. That being said, i am not denying what i said earlier. I still don't believe that Felix will ever be Griezmann tier, let alone something higher, but, i don't want to be unfair to someone and to potentially underestimate someones work here.
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Re: João Félix

Postby JMVP » 2019 Sep 03, 07:51

Morón wrote:I still don't believe that Felix will ever be Griezmann tier, let alone something higher, but, i don't want to be unfair to someone and to potentially underestimate someones work here.


He's 19! ATM, guessing if he'll be Griezmann thier or not is pure speculation. Regarding the set it self i just can't cope with him being rated at only 77 for top speed, i think he belongs in the low yellows zone. He's not a fast player, but not slow either, not by any means. And i think his main position should be SS.
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Re: João Félix

Postby PES Stats Database » 2019 Sep 03, 22:36

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ReljaYesterday at 11:11 PM
both high
IMO
and tw much lower

robYesterday at 11:13 PM
did you see what fixer said about his TW?

ReljaYesterday at 11:14 PM
where?

robYesterday at 11:14 PM
basically that he moves everywhere
and is ready for any play
but you wouldn't want him taking part in build up
so he doesnt

ReljaYesterday at 11:14 PM
yeah that's true

robYesterday at 11:15 PM
so thats an odd one to rate
he also says his sta is high

ReljaYesterday at 11:15 PM
i discussed that with fixer

robYesterday at 11:15 PM
i dunno where, probably in this channel

ReljaYesterday at 11:16 PM
felix is a really tough player to rate, on psd, defo
i'll watch the full game against leagnes
not leganes
eibar

robYesterday at 11:17 PM
if you find a good hosting of it
link me please

FixerYesterday at 11:17 PM
i want it too
i missed it
regarding def, since the very first game he's been surprisingly good at defensive duties
there was this video of a training 1 on 1 with cholo hold on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWw2mHWwsAU
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Atlético | Lección táctica de Simeone a Joao Félix: desvelamos...

no need to understand it speaks for itself lol

ReljaYesterday at 11:18 PM
fixer
+ rob

FixerYesterday at 11:18 PM
this was a couple of trainings after his signings only

ReljaYesterday at 11:18 PM
do you know that felix was once again atleti player with fewest touches ? two games in a row

FixerYesterday at 11:19 PM
yes I saw that
thats why I'd find high tw odd
but again
since its more than that...
i assume
like

robYesterday at 11:19 PM
its purely supportive movement

FixerYesterday at 11:19 PM
in a 4-4-2
with say diego costa

robYesterday at 11:19 PM
its just odd when a player doesnt touch it so much

FixerYesterday at 11:19 PM
who is also decent tw
there's gotta be teamwork at play
what they do

robYesterday at 11:20 PM
yeah, thats a bih factor too

FixerYesterday at 11:20 PM
and how they do it

robYesterday at 11:20 PM
who you are partnered with and will they take the ball more

FixerYesterday at 11:20 PM
yea

robYesterday at 11:21 PM
looks like his heatmap is the most varied out of all front players too
oh, some of these are subs
i was unaware riquelem was playing for atletico

FixerYesterday at 11:22 PM
dat shot by inui


ReljaYesterday at 11:26 PM
Anyway, the thing with Felix, it's related to tactics and his managers. As i said, his coach at Benfica Lage didn't want him involved at all. The same applies for Simeone. It's not that Felix is not doing his job

amineYesterday at 11:27 PM
i demand fixes
@Fixer

FixerYesterday at 11:27 PM
yes relja
thats what I believe
its sickening

ReljaYesterday at 11:28 PM
Lemar is very supportive, he's sometimes almost like a deep lying playmaker, he was at least against Leganes, and during the match he switched positions with Saul, who started as a wingback

FixerYesterday at 11:28 PM
media here have started to criticize him for that
and now the mainsteram opinion is that he doesnt get involved blablabla

robYesterday at 11:28 PM
wouldnt that be the exact opposite of griezman?

FixerYesterday at 11:28 PM
like with Messi
its so retarded
@rob Lemar is looking more like Griezmann than Joao

robYesterday at 11:28 PM
regarding felix
sorry
like
griezman was so far back all the time
and building uo
maybe cholo wants a griezman who does the opposite
works hard, is there for support
but is much more focused on ending plays
than starting them?

FixerYesterday at 11:30 PM
well
hes best at that
finishing
he creates space for costa, who creates space for felix, who finishes the play

ReljaYesterday at 11:30 PM
So basically, we should overall pay greater attention to tactics. Because a lot of things depends on that. Lage played a very attacking 4-4-2 system. Felix's job was basically to walk around between the lines, and as ball progresses further
to attack depth
in behind
he's brilliant in that
a brilliant roamer

FixerYesterday at 11:30 PM
aye
he knows the pitch
and he knows what part of the pitch demands what
thats why hes good at defending
some players are too one dymensional in their own styles and do not...empathize with the field, if that makes sense
so it takes longer for them to learn
but joao felix is like

robYesterday at 11:31 PM
high aggresion on felix or low?

FixerYesterday at 11:31 PM
oh i gotta do that? ok and he wont forget
feels like a sponge
high

robYesterday at 11:31 PM
well this match will give me a solid idea too

amineYesterday at 11:31 PM
joao is like a specialist
grizi was an all rounder

FixerYesterday at 11:31 PM
aye

amineYesterday at 11:31 PM
different players
different demands

FixerYesterday at 11:32 PM
how would high aggression high teamwork work
cant say ive seen that combo a lot

ReljaYesterday at 11:32 PM
i think it's also related to felix's mentality. he is not frustrated, you know, many players want to be involved, want the ball, felix's doesn't. he enjoys floating between the lines and waiting for opportunity to poach

amineYesterday at 11:32 PM
muller?

FixerYesterday at 11:32 PM
a lot

amineYesterday at 11:32 PM
?
oh

robYesterday at 11:33 PM
is hermoso 27?
number

ReljaYesterday at 11:33 PM
yup

FixerYesterday at 11:33 PM
e
ye

robYesterday at 11:33 PM
yeah
first pass

FixerYesterday at 11:33 PM
i heard he didnt have agood match

robYesterday at 11:33 PM
very nice
2 is filipe then?

ReljaYesterday at 11:34 PM
rob

amineYesterday at 11:34 PM
the whole defence struggled a lot
that's josema

ReljaYesterday at 11:34 PM
pay attention to koke's movement between the lines
and in the channels

FixerYesterday at 11:34 PM
we got a new koke fanboi
tHe CaTaLySt

amineYesterday at 11:34 PM
saul's better

robYesterday at 11:34 PM
just from this first few mins
joao looks like high tw
hes moving all over

FixerYesterday at 11:35 PM
koke and saul
form a single unit
cant compare

robYesterday at 11:35 PM
anyways
theres no definition saying
you have to be involved
to have high tw

ReljaYesterday at 11:36 PM
that's probably my biggest mistake

robYesterday at 11:36 PM
theres lots of players that move alot, but don't touch the ball for alot of reasons

ReljaYesterday at 11:36 PM
yeah, felix's defo realted to tactics

robYesterday at 11:36 PM
remeber that vid of frenkie moving and barca not passing to him? :joy:

ReljaYesterday at 11:36 PM
but that's not the thing with felix
i mean, he moves around, but it's not that people ignore him

FixerYesterday at 11:37 PM
lmfao
poor frenkie
and the other day arthur took over
he aint having it easy
could it be

robYesterday at 11:37 PM
what I like to do when watching matches that arent streams is

FixerYesterday at 11:37 PM
they know when they should pass joao

robYesterday at 11:38 PM
pause at random times

amineYesterday at 11:38 PM
saul's on the right, he dribbles tight
saul's on the left, watch for the ball theft
saul's on the middle, he shoots, he scores, no need for a widdle

FixerYesterday at 11:38 PM
thats what im doing lol

robYesterday at 11:38 PM
and note all player posistions

FixerYesterday at 11:38 PM
oh

robYesterday at 11:38 PM
I do this hundreds of times a match

ReljaYesterday at 11:38 PM
i always take screenshots
lol

FixerYesterday at 11:38 PM
@amine hes my fetish

robYesterday at 11:38 PM
takes me like 3/4 hours to watch a single game when its not live

FixerYesterday at 11:38 PM
saulphillia

ReljaYesterday at 11:38 PM
me too
haha
i make 30 pics in opening 20 minutes

robYesterday at 11:39 PM
maybe ill post some here to share on forums

ReljaYesterday at 11:39 PM

you see

robYesterday at 11:39 PM
im watching eibar

FixerYesterday at 11:39 PM
relja made a whole sequence on koke

robYesterday at 11:39 PM


ReljaYesterday at 11:39 PM
i'll watch eibar too

robYesterday at 11:39 PM
joao waiting on last defenders shoulder

ReljaYesterday at 11:39 PM
i am just showing that i have random pictures

FixerYesterday at 11:40 PM
rob
notice felix
at 10:47
05:40 in the match

robYesterday at 11:40 PM
or is that costa?

amineYesterday at 11:40 PM
yeah, he was playing cf
costa was doing the support

robYesterday at 11:40 PM
this vid is bad quality

FixerYesterday at 11:40 PM
still there heh
you can set higher quality?
AH NICE IT DOESNT CHANGE AT ALL
FROM 480 TO 1080P

amineYesterday at 11:41 PM
why would it?
your eyes can only see 240p anyways

FixerYesterday at 11:41 PM
morons shouldnt give the option
at least I can recognize which pixel is whom
unlike rob who cant even do so by looking at their number

ReljaYesterday at 11:42 PM
fixer

amineYesterday at 11:42 PM
you should be, you know this team

ReljaYesterday at 11:42 PM
what would you give to felix tw wise
definetely

amineYesterday at 11:42 PM
79

ReljaYesterday at 11:42 PM
for now at least

FixerYesterday at 11:42 PM
i do not know, as you saw im still trying to figure out how a player like him works
i wanna play pes 20

amineYesterday at 11:42 PM
it looks nice
i like that numba

robYesterday at 11:43 PM

1 min later joao up at the rmf position
Image

ReljaYesterday at 11:43 PM
is that lemar between the lines

amineYesterday at 11:43 PM
yep

FixerYesterday at 11:44 PM
lemar
wont stop moving

FixerYesterday at 11:44 PM
on attack, on defence
he switches all the time
he can even play from deep
from time to time

ReljaYesterday at 11:44 PM
yeah, he actually does that a lot
i have some pics

amineYesterday at 11:44 PM
saul does it, but he's been much restricted lately
plays mostly on the left

FixerYesterday at 11:45 PM
'sadly' saul is playing as a gap cover all the time

amineYesterday at 11:45 PM
and switches with lemar

FixerYesterday at 11:45 PM
he's the neccesary sacrifice to make all other players shine

amineYesterday at 11:45 PM
when he can

FixerYesterday at 11:45 PM
hes covering the sidebacks
like koke
or switching with lemar or the other side midfielders

ReljaYesterday at 11:45 PM


FixerYesterday at 11:45 PM
cholo likes to play around with saul's position during matches too

ReljaYesterday at 11:46 PM
well against leganes
he played as a lwb and as a cm

FixerYesterday at 11:46 PM
im watching eibar too

ReljaYesterday at 11:46 PM
he switched positions with
lemar
oh
against eibar
koke was a deep lying player
where's thomas :frowning:

amineYesterday at 11:47 PM
thomas is the anchor

FixerYesterday at 11:47 PM
thats the thing with koke too
another player who has performed so many roles
now we can see his more box to box self again

amineYesterday at 11:47 PM
koke's best was at lm

FixerYesterday at 11:47 PM
its funny because
he struggled there at first, and then everyone demanded him to play as CM
and he didnt deliver
so he was brought back as a lm
i think hes best as lm too


Image


FixerYesterday at 11:48 PM
he supports well enough

robYesterday at 11:48 PM
ball breaks in counter

FixerYesterday at 11:48 PM
see felix
ready for the race

robYesterday at 11:48 PM
joao instaly looks to make a run past defenders

ReljaYesterday at 11:48 PM
very high agg

FixerYesterday at 11:49 PM
and costa dragging defenders

amineYesterday at 11:49 PM
you'll notice this a lot this game
the first half especially
but when vitolo comes in, joao's playstyle becomes different

FixerYesterday at 11:50 PM
vs Eibar Koke is an anchor too
wait
that llorente
i mean
thats koke but
is llorente there lol

amineYesterday at 11:51 PM
haha

FixerYesterday at 11:51 PM
fucken hell quality doesnt allow me to see his hair
MY PIXELS
BETRAY ME

amineYesterday at 11:51 PM
even alberto can't tell who's who

FixerYesterday at 11:51 PM
but hes new
so

amineYesterday at 11:51 PM
noobs

FixerYesterday at 11:51 PM
still koke is the one playing the ball from deep
llorente is kinda just around for the 1 touch and to tackle

amineYesterday at 11:52 PM
herrera hasn't played much
told you he wouldn't
he'd need a miracle

FixerYesterday at 11:52 PM
simeone has been asked about herrera
its really surprising
hes like
the most atleti like player signed this year
and he's been an anecdote

amineYesterday at 11:53 PM
i think he can only play one role atm, which's why he hasn't play much
same for llorente

robYesterday at 11:53 PM
hes just there for the mexican quota
which they were dangerously low on

FixerYesterday at 11:53 PM
we've been missing that touch since Javier Aguirre said farewell

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robYesterday at 11:54 PM
joao up at rwf position hanging on defender

FixerYesterday at 11:54 PM
give the guy red aggression
and be done with it
its just ridiculous

robYesterday at 11:54 PM
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intervepted
instantly starts darting between the two defenders

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as soon as the ball is picked up
joao looks to make a run behind defense

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his movement is fucking excellent

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nothing happens
but its the effort that counts

robToday at 2:07 AM
hes always moving to stretch defense, and create an option
but his option isnt taken
hes making so many runs
just over and over

robToday at 2:34 AM
hes pretty consistent in repeating the same pattern
hugging the shoulders of the defenders
ball in cm's feet
drops to am
or
moves up to rmf
goes back to amf as attacks are happening
if his position isn't picked up
and attack starts escalating
he starts running towards lines
pretty reguarly
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middle of pitch
this is genius


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cb on him comes to mid to take it from him
he 1 touch passes it as a through ball
or kinda half a through ball, half him passing to himself

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this kid is next level
results in goal

robToday at 3:17 AM
very little recyling
hes primarily looking to advance play
so if he passes, he'll likely move
rather than wiat for pass back

robToday at 3:25 AM
horrible football by atletico btw


FalseNine_Today at 3:29 AM
did they actually lose the game?

robToday at 3:29 AM
dunno
half time

ReljaToday at 3:41 AM
no
3:2 they won
what's your op rob
lol this is fucking ridicolous
that high line from eibar
but yeah
his movement is just brilliant

FixerToday at 10:18 AM
I still don't believe that Felix will ever be Griezmann tier, let alone something higher, but, i don't want to be unfair to someone and to potentially underestimate someones work here.
what did u smoke bro

Le PariaToday at 11:54 AM
I don't know where, I read lots of comments finding Joao Felix overrated I think it was in French media. But we'll, he looks incredible, this guy have something special more than others. The way his moving on ball and his vision is beautiful when you like football without watching much of him. You don't believe in his potential fixer ?

FixerToday at 11:56 AM
Yes I do
That was a post by Relja
precisely yesterday we were highlighting all his good...great attributes, and we jsut couldn't stop naming them
and then he posts that crap
he's just a bigot because he had 0 faith in him for Atleti :sunglasses:
thats why he was so excited yesterday about other predictions that came true, so he can balance out his other shite ones
now seriously, haven't seen anyone light the spark so quickly since Messi debuted
Griezmann was kinda bound to be a team's star's squire, but Joao would be that star
not taking anything from griezmann, im strictly speaking about their roles and their impact on the final result of a match
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fixed that so I can have access to those pics later

Le PariaToday at 12:02 PM
Yeah sure it's incredible thinking he's only 19. Pretty hard to lead the game as an amf for a big club

FixerToday at 12:03 PM
hes not made to lead the game though
hes made to lead the score :stuck_out_tongue:
at this moment its like
every single other midfielder has to work all over the field
playing the ball from the back, covering the sides for the SB's to go up, giving THAT second to last pass
hes playing as a last man SS

Le PariaToday at 12:04 PM
At least in all the expensive transfers they was in current football over 100m. He might be the only one it's seems worth already

FixerToday at 12:05 PM
yes
considering the HUGE price tags on young talents
heard this observation yesterday
nobody pays big money for 28 yo
anymore
its all BIG money for a young investment

Le PariaToday at 12:05 PM
Ah I thought looking at highlights he was like the distributor

FixerToday at 12:05 PM
like, the money is paid because they think of having a player for a decade
nah like
u see how ronaldo plays?
it all depends on where he receives the ball

Le PariaToday at 12:06 PM
Because he makes so much ball retention just at the begin of the box and then looking for key passes

FixerToday at 12:06 PM
if hes far from the area
he'll just give it back, cleanly
acting as a post
and go for the run first chance he gets
he doesnt want the ball and have others go up
he wants to go up HIMSELF
griezmann would hold, wait
have the team advance and then distribute
not Joao, Joao wants to be distributed
then he's creative near the area, indeed. But he's not someone who will build up
neither is Messi
I compare them a lot
maybe its not totally justified but I hope u know what I mean

Le PariaToday at 12:08 PM
Griezmann isn't spectacular I mean for show. Joao is spectacular in the way he eliminate opponents with his dribble. He has so much ease and idea for it.
That's exciting to watch

FixerToday at 12:08 PM
yeah, that feeling of lethality is great hehe

Le PariaToday at 12:09 PM
He has class too. Seems so relax, so mature in his gameplay.
Don't know if class is correct as a word it's French lol

FixerToday at 12:10 PM
it is
although in English I read it more as 'he is class'
we say 'tiene clase' in Spanish too

Le PariaToday at 12:10 PM
Tiene class joao

FixerToday at 12:10 PM

he's also good and well mentalized in defensive duties
when theres need for it
no nonsense

Le PariaToday at 12:11 PM
He has no choice with simeone lol

FixerToday at 12:11 PM
i was saying yesterday, it just feels like he knows what is needed depending on the situation and the field position
yeah but its Simeone who allows him absolute freedom too
and releasees him from buildup

Le PariaToday at 12:12 PM
I think when he saw simeone face while signing he said to himself. OK no I'm running like a dog in defense or I'll get kill
There are so much teenage with tactic sense now
Maybe I'm wrong with the past. But current teenage seems for some of them able to play tactically when before they can't and been more bench player although they been as much talented

FixerToday at 12:21 PM
yeah I think football academies have improved that aspet a lot
at least in Europe
im just as eager to follow both sidebacks' development too
specially Lodi since Trippier is already a 'veteran'

robToday at 9:51 PM
vitolo on
i wonder how that will affect joao's movements

robToday at 10:11 PM
mostly just playing on the right

robToday at 10:21 PM
im not sure what to think of the fact that hes almost always running forward when someones on the ball, or dribbling forward
it's a double edged sword, means hes harder to pick out, but more people attacking means more spaces to cover for defenders
I think the places where he is would often make it a bad place to recive the ball
that is, if it wasn't him
because he seems ridiculosly comfortable under immesense pressure
and usually you wouldn't want a player reciving a pass between two defenders
but like david silva
he sems comfortable no matter where he gets it
so it works for him

ReljaToday at 10:23 PM
what do you reckon

robToday at 10:24 PM
I would like to see him, or rather, it's my instinct to think.... just drop back there to pick up the ball, instead of running between the lines

robToday at 10:24 PM
but again, thats probably less valuable than what he can do if he gets the ball in an advanced position
because of his comfort and agression on the ball under any situation
its really unusual style
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Re: João Félix

Postby Morón » 2019 Sep 03, 22:42

Joao Felix is an offensive player, who understands the game well. He's clever, but none of his coaches never wanted him on the ball. I know that because i saw his games for Portugal u21, Benfica, Atletico Madrid and Portugal A team. He's not even an AM, that was never his position, he was never ever an AM, he's an SS or a CF even, but overall he is a second striker. He's a forward. Great in and around the box, in every aspect. He can attack depth, he can score first time shots, headers, chips, every kind of goals. He can combine, link up with other players, everything. But only in the finald third.

That's why every manager wanted him to float between the lines and make runs in behind. His movement between the lines is not extraordinary too. He does his work, he moves accordingly to what's happening on the pitch and where the ball moves but there's no willingness to recieve the ball and energy in that movement, he seems very comfortable in just floating around between the lines and as quickly as possible he'll try forward runs in behind. He is a goal poacher, there's no doubt. Technically superb, unselfish even, and able to combine, but as i said, he enjoys being high on the pitch and he's every single time the player with fewest touches on the pitch.

As i earlier said, that is related to tactics and roles. But roles are being given according to players mentality and attributes, and qualities, but mentality is the most important and i think this is strictly related to players mentality i guess. Why the hell none of his managers ever wanted him involved on the ball? In deeper positions. He's even got the technical attributes to do so? Good passer? Good technician? Yes.

That's because in football there's much more than about what players can show in theory, or sometimes even show for real in glimpses. It's about what the player is willing to do. So there are many players that have technical attributes to do more on the football pitch, but in reality, they can't really. And that is the case with Felix, and managers know that.

His stamina is going to get a big boost i understand too. That is unecessary, and will overpower him in the game vastly, as well as many things. It's basically a projection of Felix can be, not what he is.
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Re: João Félix

Postby jurgens » 2019 Sep 03, 23:16

His movement is very interesting, pretty consistently drops from either the RMF/SS down to recieve the ball for a pass, but when he doesn't get it, he moves right on, usually taking aggressive action towards offense. Hes on the move from rwf to ss back and forth, hes really not looking to build play, just advance it. He drops to get the ball, but it seems to be so that he can pull defenders back, he very quickly releases it, or takes an aggressive movement on the ball. It's a very differnt mindset from griezman, whos pure support. Joao's moving just to help, but then hes gone, he seems to very rarely stick around, hes super focused on advancing play. I'm very impressed by his willingness to repeat these same actions, over and over all through out the match. He'll really just move for a pass, not get it, but rather than moving to the play again, hes focused on getting in more advanced posistions, rather than continuing with support in that manner.

I feel it's similar with his defending, but I'm not sure how to word it, hes basically a constant contributor, but hes never doing anything outlandish, hes not dropping back in defense 50 yards then slide tackling, but hes providing pressure when the ball is around him, very consistently, it's consistent contrubution but it's nothing out of the ordinary. I'd say the same for his supportive movement for build up, it's consistent, but nothing out of the ordinary, where as griezman was an all in star in creation and defending, joaos just helping a bit here and there, if griezman is a 10 in this regard, joaos in at 4 or so. But it's his willingness to keep these actions up over and over thats what makes it impressive for me. He rarely stopped moving in one way or another throughout the match, constant movements, and alot of running.

And yes, hes an SS* without any doubhts, nothing like an AM. Hes swapping the CF role with costa here and there and constantly looking to make a break between the defense, I'd say as long as hes playing in a 2 man, he'll be constantly switching out to the wing to stretch the defense, maybe he could have *side.

Overall the main thing that impresses me about Joao is how he plays so calm, so collected, no matter the pressure of the situation, he plays with such ease and confidence. His ability to just pick up the ball and keep it, or deftly lay it on for another is something really stand out and noteworthy, and will play a big part in his game in the future.

I feel at times hes too agressive, and I'm not sure his movement is the right choice, I've seen him make somewhat odd choices, and though he looks to drop back a bit to recive the ball, once a break is on, he seems to have very little interest in offering build up support, but as I said on discord, I think it's because of his agression to advances plays, and his confidence in maintaining possesion once put in a difficult position. Still, it seems unessacrly risky to me, though regardless hes ahead and pulling defenders towards him, so it's a threat regardless if hes picked out or not. I feel he'll really hone that part of his game as he ages too, hes only 19 and his movement is already of a very good level.
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Re: João Félix

Postby sunsaegnim » 2020 Jan 19, 00:58

I think form 5 is a bit premature on him, more like 4 or 3, i get the fact he had a really good spell in his debut season for Benfica but he still oscilates a lot in his peformances: I mean, not even Griezmann had form 5 in his last 2 or 3 ast seasons at Atléti so i'm doubtful of the consistency of a player that we have seen so little compared to others.
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Re: João Félix

Postby El Flaco » 2020 Jan 20, 17:42

So far he massively failed to live up to his PSD expectations. 22 games, 4 goals, 1 assist in La Liga, Champions League and Super Cup.
One of the most interesting Felix advanced stats is the number of recieved passes this season in those three competitions. He's on 18.11 recieved passes per 90 this season. That is extremely, extremely low number of collected passes. For instance, Jesse Lingard, who's playing in a really poor Man United side, is on 32 recieved passes per 90. The number of played passes is also very low, he's on 23.32 played passes (79.9% success rate, if anyone's interested) while Jesse is on 38.2 passes played (with a success rate of 87.4%)
Mason Mount is on 24.88 recieved passes per 90, 32.6 passes played too (83.4% success rate). Ofcourse, Jesse has the biggest percentage of successfull passes, because he's the least creative player of these 3, oftenly just recycling possession with short simple passes, Felix is defo the player with biggest potential in terms of creativity in the final third out of these, therefore his passing % is lowest, as he's more adventorous. One of Joao's teammates, Vitolo, is on 22.92 passes recieved and 34.23 passes played (82.5%) significantly more involved than Felix, too.

Ofcourse, i took Mount and Lingards from other teams as examples on purpose. Two players that i like because their off the ball work, always searching for little pockets to recieve the ball, making tons of 'dummies' through the haflspaces, running for days, etc. Both players clearly involved more in the game than Felix, it's a fact, statistically proven, as well as everyone's subjective impression, and i generally dislike the idea of having Felix on such a balanced numbers, very good sta, good TW. In my eyes, he's mainly focused on getting into good positions to score, much less than on opening in the channels with his back to goal, altough that is in theory one of his qualities, he's an agressive second striker, not an all rounded AM. Maybe he has tools to be one, but he's yet to become.
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Re: João Félix

Postby Fixer » 2020 Sep 27, 16:22

Wonderful performance, sharp, daring and effective. Beautiful movements.
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Re: João Félix

Postby jurgens » 2020 Oct 10, 04:36

I've been reviewing recently and there's a few things I want to note. I know his season was underwhelming last year, and maybe it will happen again, I don't know if atleticos signings can change things that much but.... even if it doesn't... this guy is still under-rated. Hes astoundingly good.

First off his dribbling/first touch is just ridiculously good. Surely something like 93/93 isn't over-rating him? His control is so tight and precise, hes not doing anything crazy with his dribbling, just really precise retention. It's harder to hone in on a value for his tech, as I've seen some very clear displays of red, but I've seen others that have been a little wanting. Though I'd say 93 would be a pretty safe bet.

Next his passing. His vision and comfort in his passing and some of the passes that he attempts makes me think that in the future he could possibly enter into close to 90's for SPA. Hes not there yet, but I've seen him make some extremly good attempts that I'd put in around the 87 or so mark. For now though, I'd just go with a 84/85. Regarding his lpa, hes not using it much but hes smart with using it to pick out little dinks and runs when he sees them... sometimes they are genius. I'd say about 83 lpa.

Shooting.... eh, went through 40 mins of shooting for him and still don't have a rock-solid idea of values. Hes good, definitely. But he really doesn't get many clear chances at display his SA, hes always in very congested situations. One thing to note is that he has really interesting and unique? Technique for striking the ball. He kind of does this weird jerk of his foot, it doesn't need much wind up... it's similar to a toe bog/punt, whatever you wanna call it, but hits with the inside. This quick little release and he generates so much more power and accuracy with it then you'd expect. It's very interesting and he seems to have really great control over it, can maintain high power and high accuracy, I don't really see him being a top tier shooter in the future, but definitely a high tier one. Not sure I'd give him these values but he's definitely around an 83/83/83 atm. His intent is consistently good, maybe he doesn't consistently challenge/score as much as you would want for those values though, so like I said, I don't know if he should have him them atm.
His SP is also seems like when using that technique he could be up at 84/85, but then at other times he hits kind of weak, so I don't know. Thoughts on that?

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