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Yoann Gourcuff

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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Luisao82 » 2010 Nov 15, 23:53

I even have my doubts about him being a so much better dribbler than João Moutinho. The combination DA 89 / TEC 90 makes him an (almost) excellent dribbler, and TBH it doesn't seem right to me.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby cescjiang » 2010 Dec 03, 08:09

Luisao82 wrote:I even have my doubts about him being a so much better dribbler than João Moutinho. The combination DA 86 / TEC 90 makes him an (almost) excellent dribbler, and TBH it doesn't seem right to me.


Why not him a excellent dribbler? :?
When u compare Yoann with Moutinho or even Xavi, you forget that their heights are around 170 but Gourcuff is 185.
I check the stats in FM2011, The dribbling skill of Yoann is 16 while Moutinho 12
And look at classic Requelme, who has a DA of 95, I can not understand why Gourcuff does not deserve 89.
As for Xavi, I personally think he should have at least 90.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Luisao82 » 2010 Dec 03, 08:38

Lol, why are you comparing Riquelme with Gourcuff?
Gourcuff is not even on Riquelme's league, in terms of close control in dribbling.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby cescjiang » 2010 Dec 03, 09:09

Yes, I know Riquelme is better than Gourcuff, but 95 to 89 in DA is proper then.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Luisao82 » 2010 Dec 03, 11:19

That's not even an argument.

DA is about how close the ball glues to the player's feet, when he turns or everytime he performs a slow dribble.
So take Pablito Aimar (DA: 87) as an example.
Aimar is one of those players who we can safely say that relies mostly on talent rather than on physical attributes. His dribbling is of pure class (of course AGILITY also helps a bit), but it only helps in the sense that it makes him dribble/turn FASTER... but has nothing to do with how close to the feet he performs his dribbles.

So taking that in account, and presuming that you've watched Aimar a few times... do you really believe that Gourcuff deserves a higher DA than him?


EDIT: I agree that Gourcuff is a nice dribbler, but giving him a higher DA than Aimar's doesn't seem right to me. I'd even raise Gourcuff's TEC if that was the case, but in terms of DA, I can't see why he's better than Aimar. Or maybe Aimar is a bit underrated.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby cescjiang » 2010 Dec 03, 15:19

Luisao82, I get your point and I look at the current Aimar and the classic Aimar( About 2003/2004).
In classic one, he has 93 for DA and 94 for TEC, I do not know if you think that is accurate because I did not watch football frequently in 2004.
However we can see a huge difference of his DA between classic and current Aimar. I do not know if he is really underrated or somehow degenerated these years.
So in terms of Aimar it does not contradict to your point that Aimar is an excellent dribbler, maybe better than Yoann, isn't that? and does not contradict what I stated :D
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby nonobus » 2010 Dec 03, 17:27

His DA could be decreased to 88(+1 than Fabregas) same as Pirlo or Xavi and DS:83.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

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Updated: DA:88 - DS:83
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Fides » 2011 Feb 23, 09:46

His stamina and the distance he covers impresses me most yesterday:
12,5KM (more then a KM more then the next player (Xabi) in that game)
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby cescjiang » 2011 Feb 23, 10:44

Fides wrote:His stamina and the distance he covers impresses me most yesterday:
12,5KM (more then a KM more then the next player (Xabi) in that game)


That is a good point. And most of his moves are vertical, which is different from Alonso.
However, Gourcufff's stamina is relatively high and accurate in PSD so it should not be the time to change it.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Anders » 2011 Feb 23, 12:58

IMO his FKA and LPS are underrated, he can get FKA: 80 AND LPS 90.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby cescjiang » 2011 Feb 23, 13:38

Anders wrote:IMO his FKA and LPS are underrated, he can get FKA: 80 AND LPS 90.


totally agree, great post anders :D
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby nonobus » 2011 Feb 24, 17:26

He doesn't seem that good yet on FK, though it would not be a big deal to have him at 80. About his LPS, on free-kick and corners, Gourcuff puts a lot of power in his crosses but not on normal play.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Anders » 2011 Feb 25, 22:55

nonobus wrote:He doesn't seem that good yet on FK, though it would not be a big deal to have him at 80. About his LPS, on free-kick and corners, Gourcuff puts a lot of power in his crosses but not on normal play.

Agree, but he does more crosses in set pieces than in a open play and his LPS on FK goes strong than 90, compare with Xabi Alonso for example, Gourcuff can hit the ball IMO harder than Xabi. With I only count the Set pieces I would put him with LPS 92 see he tacking a 40 meter free kick, he simple shots the ball to the box.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby nonobus » 2011 Apr 15, 15:52

His stats in the first post represents his one and a half great season at Bordeaux, with hope that he would have recover his form at Lyon. It seems that that Gourcuff is gone, that set may belong to classic section(too bad, so much time to make them...).
He looks nowadays as a ghost of his former self. Suggestions:
DA:87/DS:82/TEC:88: seriously what happened to him ? He was compared to Zidane, his touch was sublime and his ball retention(and close control) was impressive. Now he mistouches often, he still has skills but it's now so difficult for him to take on players while dribbling.

SPA:85/SPS:82/LPA:86 : once again, he was deadly in indirect FKs and could do some beautiful crosses, now he suffers to take a corner kicks!
TW:85/passing out : too slow in his decision making, slow down too much the tempo, disappointing in the last pass.

Update + ACC:80-LPS:88.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Adrien » 2011 May 17, 22:00

If we makes stats for one season he will be without cards and -7 for all stats :lol:

It is difficult for him after the World Cup and he had a new club with a big transfert...
And Lyon play very bad so it can't help him. It is current that a player is a ghost for one season and maybe he will be good anytime last season.

He have plays one or two good matchs with Lyon but after he is out because of injury.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Adrien » 2011 Jun 17, 12:59

I suggest some update because he is not good since 1.5 years...

It's a long time so I think we can update some values...

Stamina: 85 How many match had he plays 90 minutes this year?

Dribble Accuracy: 84 Losse a lot of ball this year because can't do good dribble.

Mentality: 79 Thta's why he is not good this year.

Team Work: 80 With Lyon or France National Team, he can't be good with the others players, makes the wrong pass, go alone instead of making pass...

Injury: C ==> A lot of injury this year
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby tuco55 » 2011 Jun 18, 17:09

The Torres stats were greatly reduced after a bad season. So should Gourcuff.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby nonobus » 2011 Jun 18, 18:39

anonyme wrote:I suggest some update because he is not good since 1.5 years...

It's a long time so I think we can update some values...

Stamina: 85 How many match had he plays 90 minutes this year?

Dribble Accuracy: 84 Losse a lot of ball this year because can't do good dribble.

Mentality: 79 Thta's why he is not good this year.

Team Work: 80 With Lyon or France National Team, he can't be good with the others players, makes the wrong pass, go alone instead of making pass...

Injury: C ==> A lot of injury this year


STA: As said some pages ago, Gourcuff is one of the players who was running the most at lyon(and also at bordeaux before). If there is something in his game that hasn't decreased that much, it's his work rate(sta and mentality).

DA:Gourcuff has normally better close control than all player at 84, and he didn't dribble that often last season.

TW: yes, that why it was already reduced.
We better wait for the next season before dramatically decreasing all his stats(besides he was injured and didn't play the last part of the season)..

tuco55 wrote:The Torres stats were greatly reduced after a bad season. So should Gourcuff.

I thought it was a quite bad idea. Decreasing that much the stats of such a player. For instance a player like benzema was bad in his first 1 and a half season at madrid, yet his stats were reduced only a bit. Now that player seem revived(and people are talking about increasing them). I think the same waiting should be applied to gourcuff.
edit: updated some value.
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Re: Yoann GOURCUFF

Postby Al-bulldozer » 2011 Jul 04, 20:23

Doesn't he should get The Passer Card ؟


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