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Mauro Icardi

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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby antony » 2017 Jan 18, 14:11

We have to do two different analysis: Icardi in home games and Icardi in away games. Icardi in home games is close a top CF nowdays really, he's showing also good technical skills that i've never assigned to him (my bad..), really good trapping and some great passes (also the long ones), one example the one he did yesterday for Joao Mario to put him 1on1 vs the keeper. Also don't see him that unagile tbh, isn't inusual to see him doing the "scotch move" (pes 2017) quite fast to beat the defender.

Icardi in away games is just too unpresent and this thing affects a lot the team overall attacking capacity, but still don't know if is physical problem because he is a bit weak or he is just lazy or even quite scared. The big improvement that he has to do is to drag the team also into the "dirty" away games.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby jurgens » 2017 Jan 22, 00:59

We have to do two different analysis: Icardi in home games and Icardi in away games. Icardi in home games is close a top CF nowdays really, he's showing also good technical skills that i've never assigned to him (my bad..), really good trapping and some great passes (also the long ones), one example the one he did yesterday for Joao Mario to put him 1on1 vs the keeper.


Eh, I don't think theres a differnce. It's not like hes some super involved player in home games and then a shadow in away games. He is a shadow in all games, one of the least participative CF's in major leagues. Like vs bolgna, played about 50 mins, he had that nice pass, but he was invisble outside of that, and that was a home game. It's just about what situations he gets in and whether luck is on his side or not, his playstyle does not change or differniate at all game to game. About his technical stats, we know hes capable, but his displays of said skills are few and far between, it makes rating him awkward. His trapping is irregular though, he has show nice traps, but also very poor traps. I agree with passing being good, but like I said, his non existant precnces means thats its really just about what chances he gets to display his passing prowess, if he doesn't get an opportunity.... hes not the sort to try and create one, so its really irregular... maybe once every 3 games he'll get a chance to show a nice pass, and hes usually quite good in that regard.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby antony » 2017 Jan 22, 01:59

jurgens wrote:Eh, I don't think theres a differnce. It's not like hes some super involved player in home games and then a shadow in away games. He is a shadow in all games, one of the least participative CF's in major leagues. Like vs bolgna, played about 50 mins, he had that nice pass, but he was invisble outside of that, and that was a home game. It's just about what situations he gets in and whether luck is on his side or not, his playstyle does not change or differniate at all game to game. About his technical stats, we know hes capable, but his displays of said skills are few and far between, it makes rating him awkward. His trapping is irregular though, he has show nice traps, but also very poor traps. I agree with passing being good, but like I said, his non existant precnces means thats its really just about what chances he gets to display his passing prowess, if he doesn't get an opportunity.... hes not the sort to try and create one, so its really irregular... maybe once every 3 games he'll get a chance to show a nice pass, and hes usually quite good in that regard.


i think there's a difference.. see the numbers, i agree that he isn't that monster of partecipations in home games but for example against Udinese away he touched 16 balls.. less than Handanovic, absolutely disappointing. At home he gave us the victory almost alone in various games, you know i'm not a huge fan of him but the truth is the truth. I think if he will became better away he's going to be a top CF so soon.
He has the technical abilities but he is incostant as you said, still think that he is the best crosser of the team after Candreva tbh and also in short passes he's improving.. will see
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby jurgens » 2017 Jan 25, 21:42

i think there's a difference.. see the numbers, i agree that he isn't that monster of partecipations in home games but for example against Udinese away he touched 16 balls.. less than Handanovic,


and in there 3-0 win over lazio where he scored 2 goals and hit the post he was hailed as brilliant, but he only touched 21 that match, which is basically the same. Numbers, especially from such small sample data (since playing under pioli), don't say much, hes the same home and away imo, it's just a matter of luck. Vs palermo absent again, but had two or three great moments that on another day would have been 2 goals or even a hatrick, it's not that he was away, just a lack of luck.

i wouldn't have a problem putting him on green spa either way, hes shown hes good with it, just not enough to assess just how good he is with it
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Mar 13, 13:35

He was on fire yesterday, it seems it was one of the days he was really motived

Nice response https://youtu.be/6ikEz2lFZno?t=29
Good action https://youtu.be/6ikEz2lFZno?t=55
His pk, absolutely crazy shot technique imo https://youtu.be/6ikEz2lFZno?t=72 (find it similar to Zidane's 2006 WC penalty but even more accurate)
And good anticipation in here https://youtu.be/6ikEz2lFZno?t=88
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby Bassam12 » 2017 Mar 16, 20:45

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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby Oriello » 2017 Mar 17, 01:39

Bassam12 wrote:update

Thanks. Great work!
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby Imnus » 2017 Apr 01, 14:29

With those stats played by the AI Icardi would never ever make the numbers he makes in real life. TBH the game would need FM Mental Attributes to have a way to make Icardi play any similar to real life, it's so strange because even if you had Work-rate back, he's actually a hard worker, presses a lot, runs a lot but yes uninvolved in his team overall play.

BTW long time without playing PES, trying the new one and I'm still super mad about losing Acceleration, such a ridiculously important stat that I cannot see myself keep playing without it. I actually arrive here looking is there was any hope of they bringing it back.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby antony » 2017 Apr 01, 20:45

Imnus wrote:With those stats played by the AI Icardi would never ever make the numbers he makes in real life. TBH the game would need FM Mental Attributes to have a way to make Icardi play any similar to real life, it's so strange because even if you had Work-rate back, he's actually a hard worker, presses a lot, runs a lot but yes uninvolved in his team overall play.

BTW long time without playing PES, trying the new one and I'm still super mad about losing Acceleration, such a ridiculously important stat that I cannot see myself keep playing without it. I actually arrive here looking is there was any hope of they bringing it back.


Nope, still too inconstant.. in away games he is still quite horrible in that regard.
Nowdays i see him a bit faster by the way, i mean ts/agi
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby Alex_10 » 2017 Aug 26, 19:54

One question, why is he rated so low in Header?
Honestly, his Heading Technique is better than say Belotti, i must say better than Džeko by a certain amount even. I think even Mandžukić is not at his level.
He scored more than a lot of other specialists in the past year (7 goals), being way shorter and lighter than anyone else who is a proven master of this fundamental.
Most important, he scored most of them on high balls and against taller and heavier defenders.
Should we consider a raise to at least 85/86 ( I would go even higher if I must say, because he is very "short")?
Check some highlights of his past year, timing and heading technique are world class.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby Capone » 2017 Aug 30, 06:08

I think he's underrated, not only in his header, but in that regard I agree with what Alex said. In general i agree with jurgens' point of view, but I still think this set makes him way worse than he is in rl. I don't really know how to combat it, maybe lower his TW even further to something like 57 if he'll become too good, but some stats really need to be increased. He's just such a clinical striker. I see his ATT a few points higher and his SA probably at least at 92. About his technical stats - they are the hardest to estimate properly, I also agree with jurgens there. He shows some nice touches here and there, but some poor ones too and his passing can actually really be top notch at times, but you see so few of them that its hard to tell. It'll be very interesting to see him play for Argentina, I think he can and will be a monster there. Imagine an Icardi in his current form at the WC 2014 when Argentina wasted so many chances to throw away the title, they probably would have scored 3 goals against Germany at least with him there instead of all the wasters.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby jurgens » 2017 Aug 31, 00:17

He scored more than a lot of other specialists in the past year (7 goals), being way shorter and lighter than anyone else who is a proven master of this fundamental.
Most important, he scored most of them on high balls and against taller and heavier defenders.


I'd say he had a lot more opportunities than other players due to inters playstyle, and candreva trying to cross everytime he gets the ball. I'm not saying hes not a good header, but these things need to be considered, especially when inter do tend to deliver multiple good crosses a game, and many games you won't see him touch any of them. Again, not saying he isn't a good header, but the sample size is low and there is a lot of missed i;pportunities from him.


I think he's underrated,


I don't think hes under-rated, every single one of his key-traits is well defined and is bordeting, if not on world class values. And this is for a guy playing in the weakest "top" league, and has never played a single game in the UCL. For something like attack, I'd be cautious until hes proven himself on those levels, espeiclaly considering how often he completly disspared last year. Regarding his SA, hes a damn good finisher, but he isn't a crazy shooter or anything? I mean, you don't see him get the ball like higuain and place it in the top corner, but he excels at getting what chances he does get, on target at the very least. He has extreme consistency with hitting the target, but the placement is just good, not phenomenal or anything. I'm not sure how this should be rated, maybe a higher ST, but I think his SA is pretty well rated for what he displays.

I'd probably increase his spa to 77, but wouldn't touch tech.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby antony » 2017 Aug 31, 00:32

jurgens wrote:
He scored more than a lot of other specialists in the past year (7 goals), being way shorter and lighter than anyone else who is a proven master of this fundamental.
Most important, he scored most of them on high balls and against taller and heavier defenders.


I'd say he had a lot more opportunities than other players due to inters playstyle, and candreva trying to cross everytime he gets the ball. I'm not saying hes not a good header, but these things need to be considered, especially when inter do tend to deliver multiple good crosses a game, and many games you won't see him touch any of them. Again, not saying he isn't a good header, but the sample size is low and there is a lot of missed i;pportunities from him.


I think he's underrated,


I don't think hes under-rated, every single one of his key-traits is well defined and is bordeting, if not on world class values. And this is for a guy playing in the weakest "top" league, and has never played a single game in the UCL. For something like attack, I'd be cautious until hes proven himself on those levels, espeiclaly considering how often he completly disspared last year. Regarding his SA, hes a damn good finisher, but he isn't a crazy shooter or anything? I mean, you don't see him get the ball like higuain and place it in the top corner, but he excels at getting what chances he does get, on target at the very least. He has extreme consistency with hitting the target, but the placement is just good, not phenomenal or anything. I'm not sure how this should be rated, maybe a higher ST, but I think his SA is pretty well rated for what he displays.

I'd probably increase his spa to 77, but wouldn't touch tech.


I quote all. Response and in general the speed stats are the most debatable here, i think SA is good at 89. He is a player that touch so few balls during the match but in the box is a killer, type of player that stop - shot - goal in one second..as i said maybe we can debat if could be good a response raise on mid orange value, and about speed i see him a bit more "elastic" now and a little bit faster.. Agi could be deserves a raise and ts/acc maybe too. Balance absolutelty not for now is right on 80/81, the strenght duels out of the box is probably the worst part of his game still. More than header, i think jump is the key attribute that allows him to score ...really amazing improved in the timing and strenght of his jump, this guy always reminds more David Trezeguet
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby jurgens » 2017 Aug 31, 00:37

yes he has a great jump, probably in 90's. A raise in response isn't a bad idea either, not sure I see him as more responsive than Pazzini was when he was here? What was he rated at then.... Don't know if he makes much changes with his speed, I think its fine, but don't mind a small increase, I'd be against agi though, he does have problems with mobility, and for someone with decent da and what not, he does almost nothing with it so I dont see much reason for more agi
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby Rex » 2017 Sep 01, 18:10

The game against Roma was typical Icardi, just compare his all round contribution to Džeko's in the same game. Edin contributed so much to his team with hold up play, passing, scored one goal, the stand out performer especially in the first half, Icardi barely had a touch, lost many duels, often offside. Then, scored two cheeky goals and won the game for Inter.

He is really clinical, but not yet among the best strikers in the world, it's not only about goals.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby JeffVR98 » 2017 Sep 01, 18:17

Depends, there are different types of strikers, Icardi is a CF that needs great supportive work of the wingers and midfielders.
But that doesn't that mean he is below of others, i prefer him above others "top" cf's that miss easy goals in front of the net.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby CHarper » 2017 Sep 09, 17:53

JeffVR98 wrote:Depends, there are different types of strikers, Icardi is a CF that needs great supportive work of the wingers and midfielders.
But that doesn't that mean he is below of others, i prefer him above others "top" cf's that miss easy goals in front of the net.


for me, Icardi is a great striker plays well back and anticipates very well, good reading of game and good moves like CF,
but his mistake is not getting involved in the game, as against Uruguay, I only play 4 balls, incredible!
as in previous comments, he needs the support and good play of the wings and midfield, he is only a finisher, he is not a driver and he is not a "9" like Higuain, who can dribble and shoot. he just needs space and be well profiled to execute the shot.
watching your game needs some changes in your stats imo

DA: is not a driver or dribbler only finisher or pivot as Belotti, I do not consider that his DA deserves to be 78 imo, with 75 could suffice

HEADER: At this point I agree with several comments, his pitch is good, I remember his goal against Juventus where he won the duel to the defense, and good positioning of pitch, with this I do not mean that his jump is good and deserves a raise , there I oppose his jump has been so equal that the defenses but with his anticipation (response) and good position (header) has scored many goals.
at this point he would raise his header to 86

STA: by its way of game where it stays static in the middle of the DF maybe making a pivot by here and there, would deserve maximum 75 and is that in fact does not make a tremendous display of energy in the field, even I thought of 70's low.

ATTA: could be 90 without a doubt.he mobilizes very well within the area, and actually in the field.
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby antony » 2017 Sep 20, 13:12

Mauro Icardi in away games is really a bad CF, no movements.. no duels no fights...
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby jinjle » 2017 Sep 20, 20:29

antony wrote:Mauro Icardi in away games is really a bad CF, no movements.. no duels no fights...


I think he is currently just getting double marked by opposition centre backs because Candreva and Joao Mario do not pose any goal threats. Playing Eder with with him would make him more dangerous
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Re: Mauro Icardi

Postby jinjle » 2017 Sep 20, 20:31

Icardi should get the Fox in the box card IMO. His movement inside the box and shooting is incredible

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