Fixer wrote:Thanks for the feedback Huoi, if you allow me, let me explain my biggest cause of concern, as that is your reaction to Classic Nº10. At first I was relatively reluctant to that card alone, as I never saw the point of it. It seemed, as it name implied, an extremely restrictive card, but it doesn't seem like that at all tome anymore. I feel like that card's main role is to force players not to overdribble or attempt speedy runs on the ball, and rather find the most suitable option as quickly as possible, with the occasional tactical dribble inbetween. And yes, I do wonder, how does Sarabia move the ball? Perhaps the way I build sets is relatively mild - that is, trying to balance out older and newer stats, since the mechanics ain't the same, I can't expect to make a perfect set in which Special Abilities, Cards and Stats all work in perfect harmony for an undeniable set for every single PES game. And, I have already stated several times, I'm not overly familiar with certain cards, which also tend to change as every new PES edition is released, so its more based on guesses than anything.
I play what I play, we've got sets in here based on older PES but we do include newer cards, aswell as abilities that don't exist anymore, together with 3 stats that do not belong to all games and that radically change the game.
that's my issue, because i understand your reasoning as far as individual attributes go from what you are saying as much as i did by seeing the set itself, but it seems like a bit of a reach. Because he doesn't exactly fit that mold.
Just isolating movement i don't believe he does because he isn't that held back regarding his DS, he just doesn't actively utilize it in his dribbling to the extend he could as he looks like a natural DS dribbler with real fluidity in how he speeds up his movement on the ball and exercises his control while simultaneously moving. I'm all for utilizing DS's range to restrict a player, consciously opting for utilization over pure ability when it's necessary. I agree Sarabia is a player who does this, just not to this extend.
Overall i don't think he is that ''to the point'' or restricted in the way he functions to warrant that card , let alone need it. If anything he is really unrestricted if the situations demands it, or just on a whim which happens often. So, i understand the struggle to find something suitable for him or something to make him play that much close to what you perceive him to, as we all do, it's just in this case i'm afraid assigning him that specific playstyle dictates his set and changes it to something different all together rather than help emulate him better. What i'm saying is i don't think it's exactly him in more aspects than it is, and at the end of the day it does more harm than it fixes. I don't think every player has an ideal pes card or style to identify with, even if it might ''help'', so we just do the best we can do with him. No need to fit him into one if it doesn't fit him exactly, which i don't it does, remotely.
Fixer wrote: So I decided, for a guy like Sarabia, who does play as AMF, has a really quick wit for the pass (1 touch, which I added) and does not overdribble and rarely ver displays true DS, that a good way of using him, as a goalscoring AMF who provides huge support to the wings when playing in the middle, and to the middle when he plays on the wing, by a very solid passing, and a superb crossing ability (Which you are underrating imo). Perhaps his LPS is lower than that, and I have admitted so on Discord yesterday.
He doesn't though, as far as i've seen he hasn't played as an AM at all. In the beginning he played as a WF and for 7 games at least now he plays something like an SM/CM hybrid that moves into SS positions from time to time ( very free role ). I'm 5 league games behind, so if he does change role for a third time i'll be happy to swallow my words. And i wouldn't set him as such as some form of compromise just to account for his freedom of movement. He doesn't really provide ''support'' to the wings, at least in our way of understanding it in pes( i am assuming that's what you mean ) , he makes up the wings with Navas as an outlier in his side, with whom they don't have some special connection or cooperation really. Navas provides width and Sarabia has more freedom to move in more central positions.
Fixer wrote:I can however agree with slightly lower DA, maybe passing beinga bit lower too? 82 may be a bit too much, but he's a pretty solid grounded pass assistman aswell imo.
His Lpa at around 83 would not be inaccurate based on what i've seen, LPS at 83 seems about right. He's barely breaking 80 at SPA for me, again Navas is by all mean a better '' assistman''. That's the thing though, i don't think he's such a great technician where he is an easy 80 for spa or an easy 83 even for lpa, certainly not that good with the ball purely regarding DA.
Fixer wrote:Other than that I don't know, you seem to agree with most of what I've done, with a few changes here and there I Could agree with the same way I could agree with other values that could be suggested, but regarding Tech I haven't seen him being that impressive either, and at the end of the day we've given him the same value.
I do agree with many changes you've made, namely the physical and stats that ones that affect his movement without the ball and those aspects of his behavior. I disagree with most of the technical changes, cause i see him at a different, lower level. And that's a hugely important disagreement just on it's one ,but especially adding a playstyle i think unnecessary and even a different position than i've seen him play, he morphs into a different player than what i've perceived him as altogether. That is my concern.
Yeah, we see Tech the same, but i see it as his most impressive technical attribute while on the set it's just a component of his overall high technical skillset, because DA, SPA and LPA are imo unnecessarily high. So that goes to show our different views on his overall technical ability. 84 is a pretty good value btw
* i've watched every Sevilla game this season up to the game vs Celta
Fixer wrote:Perhaps you could help me with the updates then. I admit I don't watch Sevilla as much as you've just said you do, but if you do please, do offer suggestions, because certain players are far from being up to date. If your ideas are clear then please aid us with the team. In any case, I regard your suggestions, and I agree on some,
I intend to , i've mentioned this on Discord in my Sevilla rant to Jurgens. I wanted to watch the first half of the season to get as well rounded a view as i can, i got plenty of notes on the starting team, don't worry.
Fixer wrote: but his LPA is defo mid yellows at worst.
Navas is betta !!!
btw fixer, i hope you didn't interpret this
or my tone as mad or hostile. I appreciate you putting the effort into updating the team, i was really happy with your update on Vázquez for example. I was just taken aback in this case because i've seen certain aspects of him very differently and the set seemingly went in a very different direction. Hopefully i appear constructive in the post because that is my honest intention.