Ronaldinho | 2001-2003 | 2003-2006 | 2008-2010 | 2011-2013


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Ronaldinho | 2001-2003 | 2003-2006 | 2008-2010 | 2011-2013

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 21:52

2003-2006

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: FC Barcelona



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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2001-2003

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: Paris Saint-Germain



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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2008-2010

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: AC Milan



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2011-2013

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: Atletico Mineiro


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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby danielfrancog » 2009 Mar 04, 06:03

about tech hi was really the master of first touch and really if u compare videos of him and maradona really closely u would see that his first touch was even better than maraddona
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Mar 05, 15:32

danielfrancog wrote:about tech hi was really the master of first touch and really if u compare videos of him and maradona really closely u would see that his first touch was even better than maraddona


No one will ever believe you. :lol: You're correct, though.
"When we were winning leagues and European Cups at Real I always said Makelele was our most important player. There is no way myself Figo or Raúl would have been able to do what we did without Claude and the same goes for Liverpool and Gerrard."
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Mar 08, 12:34

Hmmm, maybe balance could be a point higher. He would take kick after kick and keep going, and there's even one moment where he runs straight at John Terry (Both in their prime), as if he is about to run suicidally into a brick wall and absolutely flattens the man and keeps on going like it's nothing, like a hot knife through butter. :\
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Mar 08, 13:01

I agree with BB increase maybe 87-88
About technique, imo:

99 - ZIDANE
98 - MARADONA,RONALDINHO,BERGKAMP
97 - PELE
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby sticky-fingers » 2009 Mar 08, 16:38

If classic Zidane has BB = 91 (i think it's too much)
then R.G should be as the same point :?
Remember what he did against J.Terry :geek:
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Mar 08, 19:52

I have Ronaldinho classic in my PES2009 with BB 88, and it works Ok.He is fighting well in duels against some defenders with greater BB.I don't see him even with Zidane in this segment.And about thing with Terry, alltough it was really impresive, still remember that Zidane was fighting every week with some solid rock defenders in his Juventus era (1996-2001).I agree that RG was more explosive and a bit faster than Zizou, but franchman's technique and smooth touch, vision, and passing ability combined with BB and incredible consistency while playing for Juve made him unique.For me he was performing ballet on the pitch, the only one for me who's motion with ball was so natural every move was simply piece of art.
When comparing these two players I can't resist to mention ZIDANE's class of football in world cup 2006 quaterfinals against Brazil when he was 34 ;)
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Mar 10, 04:14

No doubt Zidane should have higher BB, he was one of the KINGS of shielding the ball. You just didn't see him knocked off it. His guile and silky smoothness made his impressive strength deceptive, but it was there and contributed to the player he was for sure. The thing with Dinho was once he'd built up a head of steam -then- he was unstoppable, explosive as Sek said. A video a posted earlier, for instance, he gets kicked about 4-5 times and he keeps keeps keeps on going. (2:53) On another the plyer tries to drag and slide him down him down blatantly, definite foul, but he keeps his balance and accelerates away to his feet in a heart beat, beating another couple of players. ...He moved like the laws of physics didn't apply. :shock: But he had to have a bit of a head of steam up for his strength to start showing. (also, check his first touch on 4:31, then the burst and finish. Jedi like!)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hEtEZcHtWPI&fmt=18 just in case anyone missed it.
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2009 Mar 20, 20:59

This will probably be torn to shreds but for me:
DA 99 in his prime hhe was on par with maradona for me
DS 98 he barely slows down at all, its lkike the ball isn't even there
Acc 96 from standing still he just bursts into life incredibly quick
Agi 95 on par with Kun seems fair to me
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Xyder » 2009 Mar 20, 22:01

lfc 4 eva wrote:This will probably be torn to shreds but for me:
DA 99 in his prime hhe was on par with maradona for me
DS 98 he barely slows down at all, its lkike the ball isn't even there
Acc 96 from standing still he just bursts into life incredibly quick
Agi 95 on par with Kun seems fair to me


Red alert warning, hehehe.

I'm only agree with Acc, the rest seems to be a little overrated.
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby as_10 » 2009 Mar 20, 22:09

Alcohomicide wrote:Hmmm, maybe balance could be a point higher. He would take kick after kick and keep going, and there's even one moment where he runs straight at John Terry (Both in their prime), as if he is about to run suicidally into a brick wall and absolutely flattens the man and keeps on going like it's nothing, like a hot knife through butter. :\

definetely agree!

ive just seen Chelsea-Barça from the CL 2005-2006
there was a moment when Ronnie had the ball in his feet, and Lampard(prime i guess) came from behind and started kicking his leg like a mad, but he didnt even move :shock:
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2009 Mar 20, 22:17

I recommend everyone watches the video alcohomicide posted. pure genius.
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Mar 21, 22:03

I think 98 suits Dinho for DA. He was not -as- good at keeping the ball glued to his foot as El Diego.

He was capable of DS 98, and sometimes did it, but more often than not he'd ease off a smidge, then burst past the player, which is where the acceleration stat comes in. I agree with you on it, lfc. He could literally bend time around him. Sometimes he was away and dribbling before his marker could turn to see him!! Very Cruyff like in that respect. It must have been so horrible to be Sergio Ramos that famous night in Madrid... :shock:

DS could be 95/96, but 98 is disrespectful to Kaká and Romário who are so much more about DS. Unlike Ronnie, they never seem to slow down, they just fly like supersonic jets!! Ronnie on the other hand would ease off a bit and do something with his feet that would put the defender on the deck in most cases, or leave them struggling to stay on their feet. (He used some of his capoeira training and applied it to his game and if you watch, often his opponents are struggling to stay on their feet or track his movements correctly)

IMO he's punished for agility cause he's taller than the likes of Kaká, Maradona, Kun, Romário and Garrincha. Don't let it fool you, his agility was space-age, 95 represents that better in my opinion. Again, it was like he was bending time, so I agree to that one.

I of course also stand by my suggestion on balance. :mrgreen:
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby yourigo » 2009 Mar 21, 22:14

i agree with what you say about DS. Regarding agility, i think 95 is a must, he had the ability to appear and disappear wherever he wanted, leaving the defenders behind thinking "where the hell did he fu**ing go?", and i think that's more about agility than accelaration. btw, kaka' is taller than ronaldinho
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Mar 22, 12:19

Haha!! Oh, dear. I always thought Ronaldinho looked taller. :lol:
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2009 Mar 22, 13:10

OkI probably went a bit overboard after watching that awesome video. I think Alcohomicides suggestions are better. Agree with them
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby CDDRodrigo » 2009 Mar 22, 14:49

I agree with 95 for agility and 96 for DS.
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby Brezza » 2009 Mar 22, 15:56

Im not 100 % sure with agility. id give him that sort of value in his younger, skinnier Gremio/PSG days where id say he was more agile and pulled off sharper turns before bulking up at Barcelona.

Id put him him on the same level as a young Jay Jay Okocha and Romario (newer update) at 94
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby danielfrancog » 2009 Apr 02, 08:14

Alcohomicide wrote:I think 98 suits Dinho for DA. He was not -as- good at keeping the ball glued to his foot as El Diego.

He was capable of DS 98, and sometimes did it, but more often than not he'd ease off a smidge, then burst past the player, which is where the acceleration stat comes in. I agree with you on it, lfc. He could literally bend time around him. Sometimes he was away and dribbling before his marker could turn to see him!! Very Cruyff like in that respect. It must have been so horrible to be Sergio Ramos that famous night in Madrid... :shock:

DS could be 95/96, but 98 is disrespectful to Kaká and Romário who are so much more about DS. Unlike Ronnie, they never seem to slow down, they just fly like supersonic jets!! Ronnie on the other hand would ease off a bit and do something with his feet that would put the defender on the deck in most cases, or leave them struggling to stay on their feet. (He used some of his capoeira training and applied it to his game and if you watch, often his opponents are struggling to stay on their feet or track his movements correctly)

IMO he's punished for agility cause he's taller than the likes of Kaká, Maradona, Kun, Romário and Garrincha. Don't let it fool you, his agility was space-age, 95 represents that better in my opinion. Again, it was like he was bending time, so I agree to that one.

I of course also stand by my suggestion on balance. :mrgreen:

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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby bitz » 2009 Apr 06, 21:22

After reading all the posts of the thread, I made suggestion recap (hope I haven't missed anything :) ):

Acceleration: 96 (lfc 4 eva),(Xyder), 9bitz)
Agility: 95 (lfc 4 eva),(Alcohomicide),(lfc 4 eva) - 94 (Brezza)
Dribble Speed: 95/96 (Alcohomicide),(lfc 4 eva),(danielfrancog),(bitz)
Curl: 95 (sencesor)
Header: 78 (Classical)
Jump: 82 (Classical)
Technique: 98 (sencesor),(DeFrenZ),(as_10),(bitz) - 97 (Capone)
Mentality: 73 (sencesor),(Oriello),(bitz)

Remove outside* (sencesor),(bitz)

I added myself to the ones I agree. And we need to discuss more about exact numbers in Balance, as it is almost agreed that he needs to be raised there.
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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

Postby sencesor » 2009 Apr 06, 23:11

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Re: RONALDINHO Gaucho | 2003/2005

After reading all the posts of the thread, I made suggestion recap (hope I haven't missed anything :) ):

Acceleration: 96 (lfc 4 eva),(Xyder), 9bitz)
Agility: 95 (lfc 4 eva),(Alcohomicide),(lfc 4 eva) - 94 (Brezza)
Dribble Speed: 95/96 (Alcohomicide),(lfc 4 eva),(danielfrancog),(bitz)
Curl: 95 (sencesor)
Header: 78 (Classical)
Jump: 82 (Classical)
Technique: 98 (sencesor),(DeFrenZ),(as_10),(bitz) - 97 (Capone)
Mentality: 73 (sencesor),(Oriello),(bitz)

Remove outside* (sencesor),(bitz)

I added myself to the ones I agree. And we need to discuss more about exact numbers in Balance, as it is almost agreed that he needs to be raised there.


Couple of notes: agree with Brezza regarding agility 94 - think it's just right, (the height thing, exactly like Gullit's 86... ;) ).

Disagree regarding changing BB, 85 seem accurate imo - strong enough to pull all of his moves, he didn't relay so much at his BB making markers miserable, as much as at his technique, agility, and speed.

And it's of course: Add *outside, & not Remove.. ;)
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