Ariel Ortega | 1996-1998 | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

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Ariel Ortega | 1996-1998 | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 11, 23:35

Nickname: "El Burrito" ("The Little Donkey"), thus called "Burrito Ortega"

Club: River Plate / Valencia / Sampdoria



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Club: Club Atlético River Plate



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Club: Fenerbahce / Newell's Old Boys (2002-2004)



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Ortega

http://www.groundreport.com/Sports/Arie ... si/2898126

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Re: Ariel ORTEGA | 2000-2001

Postby bitz » 2013 Aug 19, 06:27

I remember him well from his spell at Turkey...what a player.
Judging from the vid, looks like his wf should be lower, he's using his right mostly, whatever angle he passes to, bar 2-3 occasions.
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Re: Ariel ORTEGA | 2000-2001

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Feb 07, 11:44

Another vid from him, playing in Fenerbahce, such a crazy talent, fantastic player, unpredictable dribble. This Ortega was different from the one of 1998, it seemed stronger, a little slower and better dribbler...when he came back to River a few years after this showed the same level. It seems in this era the wine made effect in him and gained a couple of kgs and they last till he retired, changed his body completaly.


Seriously, watch this moment, is just amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FCcdhFyOy0&t=145
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 2000-2001

Postby strajder » 2015 Mar 22, 13:22

Ortega is definitely one of the best dirbblers in the history, so I suggest raising his Dribbling to 98 and his shooting ability (lobs especially) is great, so I guess SA can be 86.
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 2000-2001

Postby blumbas » 2017 Jan 25, 23:06

Is this set accuare for his 2002 WC performance? What about 1998 one? How much different player he became in this 4 years?

Also, he was impressive young talent in 1994 and we should consider creating a new set for him (just like for Ronaldo as they were 2 of best young talents in the world during mid-90s)
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 2000-2001

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jan 26, 12:50

blumbas wrote:Is this set accuare for his 2002 WC performance? What about 1998 one? How much different player he became in this 4 years?

Also, he was impressive young talent in 1994 and we should consider creating a new set for him (just like for Ronaldo as they were 2 of best young talents in the world during mid-90s)


I was going to post in this thread as yesterday i've been reviewing some info about him and 3 or 4 vids and vs vid i made in the past. He's one of my favourites players ever...actually he does need some sets because it's a guy that literally changed his body and style of playing that much because of multiple reasons.

I have doubts about the first era...he does need a 94-96 set (WC 94', Libertadores 96' and first shinny era at River)...then he had a nice time at Valencia, Sampdoria and Parma and played the 98 WC...but after that he changed his body mass and became "heavier"...still a 2002-2004 set is needed as well, playing his best football ever at River in 2002 imo and going to Turkey...then the suspension and the comeback to Newell's to be champion after a long time and having crazy performances those years.

After this year his decline became more evident and still was able to have nice performances in 2008 being champion in Simeone's team with Falcao and Buonanotte but I think that's the least set we need. Current set should be the one at Europe time imo. I'll check it later and try to add some sets, I've worked a lot in his young days before but I lost it.
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jan 31, 16:31

Added Newell's set
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 1996-1998 | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Feb 07, 17:15

Well added first set as well, I've got some doubts cause he's really hard to rate but I think the three sets are well replicated. Also he's a player who changed a lot his style and way of playing due to inconsistency, physique and motivation. First set is the one when he was more explosive, young, energic and insanely agile who made incredible dribblings due to the fact he was crazily fast in short distances in terms of dribble.

Btw still I have to review 2000 set to make balanced with the others, specially his passing speed which was non existant most of the time. Despite that, that era was probably his best ever or at least the one I liked him more, so sad his WC 2002 wasn't that great because he played out of position.
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 1996-1998 | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

Postby blumbas » 2017 Feb 07, 18:26

Finaly we have Ariel with 98 agility. Young Ortega is the most fluid and agile dribbler I've ever seen since Garrincha. I'd definitely take him over Messi for example in that aspect.

I'm curious, why his best set has 97 DA compared to 96 in the rest sets? I don't see him better at his peak that during his early years.
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 1996-1998 | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

Postby thor34 » 2017 Feb 12, 23:22

Dribbling:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApjmeIvS0c0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOhLeckE6fE


River Plate (1991-1996)
Valencia C. F. (1997-1998)
U. C. Sampdoria (1998-1999)
Parma F. C. (1999-2000)
C. A. River Plate (2000-2002)
Fenerbahçe S. K. (2002-2003)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMqRfslHq5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve98EpgVLzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGwVDjxQauQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkEaNeAeJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfMWy91TaEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3jLGYcdLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkPW9l2arjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho3bmB792Rg



C. A. Newell's Old Boys (2004-2006)
River Plate (2006-2008):

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_l-Y-E7Prs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P1wBRXA2lE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xowcILVRv7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU2k_VdOpaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrOTp4JXZCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBoyckoitiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btiQL6lgEeA


River Plate (2009-2010):

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgLVBMwgZwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJBCKwfwTuk


NT:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJBnm42tOHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAnfP7r1iU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpqviSvpQ1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHvylY5P5wI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHrKcg8cSJA


Of the best dribblers that I saw in my life, infernal ep/da to remove rivals up in very tight spaces. Safe Imo you need as low numbers on sps/lps in their first years in river? And because your ment/tw is so low in all its set, never I thought it was a player disconnected and without brain as Pity-Teo-Lanzini. And to correct eras? Above all NOB/River
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Re: Ariel Ortega | 1996-1998 | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

Postby Vickingo » 2018 Jul 17, 03:45

Really nice cut and awesome pass, Riquelme's 2000 style, low pace but making Zapata going for the ball.
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Also in the same match, look at this pass, just lovely
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Sometimes I forget how good he was, Ortega was an unique player imho, I've never ever watched a player like him again, weird and fantastic talent. Also his passing became way better in this era. His agility was out of this world, even losing his speed...the guy had insanely fast body movements with and without the ball. Lucas uploaded this video, probably in the middle of a low level, getting old but still class...look the way he was kicked by the brazilian (Libertadores, baby)...and here you can watch his growth at his BB compared with his young (even top) days, it was the most significant change.

Who was Ortega? This:
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I guess there wasn't and won't be any player with this stop, so fast, effective and characteristic. Also being that consistent and good at it to feint.

And turns so natural like this one? Thousands per match
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Incomparable player. You can blame Ortega due to a lot of external reasons (non professionalism, giving a damn about football sometimes, drunk, some idiotic behaviours, not being that consistent throught his career, the conflict with Fenerbache, etc), but without any doubt he's one of most talented players ever. Love him.

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Re: Ariel Ortega | 1996-1998 | 2000-2001 | 2002-2004

Postby Vickingo » 2018 Aug 14, 01:07

I found another vid of a game I remember just like it would have been yesterday. 2004 great game of that Newell's champions vs Boca in La Bombonera. It was a really special match for Ortega since he's a River hero. Look at this action and his agility, just still out of this world:

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And this a really nice assist, smart:
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Given him red agility as well in last set, there's no reason to keep it lower than that, I was conservative and it's in vain. Still I have to review the 2000 set, probably 97 is the right value for that era...I should balance as a whole with the other 2 as well.

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