Diego Maradona | 1984-1986 | 1988-1990 | 1993-1994

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Diego Maradona | 1984-1986 | 1988-1990 | 1993-1994

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 11, 18:46

Nicknames: "El Diez" | "Pelusa" | "El Diego" | "El Pibe de Oro"

1984-1986

Club: SSC Napoli


Growth type: Early/Lasting

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1988-1990

Club: SSC Napoli


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1994

Club: Newell's Old Boys

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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby martins7 » 2013 Mar 19, 03:01

I dont see any problem with 99 DS and maybe SPA 97 , TS 83 AGI 94
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby mr.Boss » 2013 Mar 19, 19:03

martins7 wrote:I dont see any problem with 99 DS and maybe SPA 97 , TS 83 AGI 94

Agree,ha was very fast,and very very fast with ball too.
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby fabio297 » 2013 Jun 27, 00:09

in my opnion, maradona was the greatest of all time, but his dribbling was not this accurate, but was the fastest, it will be polemic, and no one will agree, but 99 in DS and 97 in DA would fit perfectly
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby ElDiez » 2013 Jul 10, 07:33

Can someone create the Boca 1981 Maradona and the Barcelona 1982-1984 Diego, please?
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby jurgens » 2013 Jul 18, 01:38

Figured I'd answer this PM here since I wrote so much.

martins7 wrote:Sorry for my terrible english but Can you ask me (another) question?? Who is best? Pele or Maradona ? And Why ? Talk about titles , skilss (principaly) please! Thanks so much and if isn't a incomodation for you...who is the best soccer player ever and why?



Well, it's been quite some time since I watched Pele so I won't talk so much about him. But I'll tell you a little of my thoughts on him. He was a great player, but I find him somewhat overhyped. Don't get me wrong, hes one of those truly special players, easily one of the best of all time. I just find him over hyped in the sense that he's often times put ahead of Maradona.
There is a footballing god, and his name is Diego Armando Maradona. No one compares to maradona for me, no one comes even close. Maradona was football. Theres nobody else thats ever played who has even had 1/10th as much technical ability as Maradona. There is so many great players over the years, zico, platini, laudrup, di stefano.. cruyff.. none compare to Maradona for me.

One of the main distinctions between Maradona and every other player ever, is the ease everything came to him. So many players need conditions for them to be perfect before they will be capable of doing something. They need time, space, players to make runs, they have to be on in the right body position, they can't be at a certain angle, ball can't be in the air needs to be on the ground... etc etc etc. It's the exact opposite for Maradona. Diego needed nothing. From any single situation he could do what he wanted, he owned the ball, like no one else. That alone is one of the most unique and dangerous features of Maradona. He just had so much confidence and ability with the ball, whenever a situation popped up he'd usually take it anyway he could. Just little things you'd never see other players attempt, like controlling a ball with 1 touch, and while it's bouncing, passing it with a volley that goes 50/60 yards and actually finds it's mark.

His passing is for me, the best of all time. Because not only did he have the ability to make any type of pass under any type of circumstance, he had vision that went above and beyond everyone else. You just don't see other players even attempt the type of things he said, as they don't have 1/10th of his technical ability. Maradona was football embodied, any part of his foot could use the ball however he wanted. Hell, his whole body was like that. His football intelligence was just on a complexly different level, and his technical ability matched it. Because of his adventurous nature and hit them as he sees them style, his accuracy could be wanting on occasion, but when you play with so little restraint, thats completely understandable. Maradona really played with "feeling" you know? He felt it, rather than thought about it. It's so easy to see that when you watch him, and then watch basically any other player. I'm not saying hes the only player who played with feeling, but hes the only one who made it work perfectly, and hes also pretty much the only person I've ever seen who would really had the confidence/ability to attempt and pull of near impossible feats regularly.

I could go on and on really. But I'll end it at that for now :lol:
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby sensible » 2013 Jul 20, 19:11

simply Maradona Is symbol of football
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby jurgens » 2013 Jul 23, 01:30

JMVP brought up some interesting points in pm

JMVP wrote:But now that you mention it the checked your Maradona set and read your comments there, honestly i don't see him as such a great passer. I mean, great of course, just not as much as you put him. I wouldn't put his LPA any higher than 95 because of the combination dribble/passing. It's just too effective, even for him. And Pirlo is my benchmark as far as LPA goes, will always be. His passing overall was magic, he combined skill with great vision, but he could be a little careless sometimes which made him deliver the ball less "round" when compared to other great passers.

Knuckle shot? Anyone used it in those days? Track back... i can understand why but does it really work?

His later set is just overrated, after Napoles he was a shadow of himself... in the 90's Maradona wasn't the undisputed best player in the world anymore. He was still one of the most ... well maybe the most enjoyable to watch, the most spectacular ... surely the most iconic but not the most efficient anymore. He dived a lot and ran a little, sometimes more concerned about complaints to the refs and playing with the ball than making his team win.


thoughts on this? I'll post mine soon.
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby tuco55 » 2013 Jul 23, 03:58

An article about his season at Sevilla and his general decline in the early 90's :-

http://90sfootballparty.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/un-chien-andalou-maradonas-dog-days-at-sevilla/

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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby Footballgenius » 2013 Jul 23, 09:02

I think his long passes were supremely accurate. For napoli in particular I'm thinking, if he could get the angle for the pass and someone made a run he could pretty much drop it right where they want it, some of them passes were quite majestic actually. Floated, driven, curled, volleyed, chipped, I've seen see him pull all of them off with ease without the accuracy faultering
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby jurgens » 2013 Jul 24, 07:13

I wouldn't put his LPA any higher than 95 because of the combination dribble/passing. It's just too effective, even for him.


Going by that logic, I'd honestly rather lower his dribbling stats than his long passing stats. His passing, especially in the late 80's was much more impressive to me than his dribbling.


His later set is just overrated, after Napoles he was a shadow of himself... in the 90's Maradona wasn't the undisputed best player in the world anymore. He was still one of the most ... well maybe the most enjoyable to watch, the most spectacular ... surely the most iconic but not the most efficient anymore. He dived a lot and ran a little, sometimes more concerned about complaints to the refs and playing with the ball than making his team win.


I don't see much wrong with the later set tbh, there is a few necessary changes to be made though, since we've finally gotten more comfortable with using broader scales, we can further adjust him. I think this set really just represents what you've said, a shadow of himself. Hes taken a massive decline in every physical stat, but hes still decent physically. As for his technical skills? They are all intact, as they should be. He changed his role into a pure playmaker and pretty much solely relied on his passing. His passing was magnificent and this didn't change at all with age, it just became much more prevalent in his game.

What I do think we need to change is attack. We focused too much on the intelligence aspect in the past and didn't give enough focus to the danger level it creates in game. With his dribbling and fitness gone, he did take a massive drop to his overall danger level, surely at least 10 points, if later days Diego is a 98 for danger, napoli days is well into the hundreds.

Stamina could come down a little lower too, keep in the 70's though, should be a little bit above recoba as he got a lot more involved in the game.
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TW.. I honestly don't think this should change much, lazier? yes.. but hes always a player who was aware of what he needed to do get the ball if hes team-mate needed a passing option.

I don't think he needs any other changes to his physical stats, maybe lower ACC though and slightly lower agility.

His shooting stats can take a little bump down to further represent the fact that hes now less dangerous too.

As for passing, I'd like to see more opinions on if people really feel hes over-rated in these areas before making any changes.

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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby Vickingo » 2013 Jul 28, 01:37

This will really help with the later years set, this game was a WInter friendly between Boca and Universidad Católica from Chile in where Independiente played too.

He was really good in this match, ran a really good, giving an awesome support mainly in the 1st half, being the real playmaker of the team. For the record, what a hell of team Boca had in this year: Maradona/Riquelme/Rambert/Latorre/Berti/Arruabarrena/Abbondanzieri, etc, etc. I dunno how much he delined, he was just magic at my eyes, yeah he missed passes but who doesn't? Tell me 3 current playmakers who can create more danger than him in this match...every ball he touches he lightened his class and look at the ridicolous high amount of assists he tried, just crazy. Also his long passing was really good in open play, at set pieces they looked really soft and all of the to the 1st man in the 1st post, seemed 60's in lps btw in those.

Well, too much words, just please watch the whole video, is a football class.
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby tuco55 » 2013 Aug 13, 00:46

Maradona vs Belgium at 1982 World Cup :-

http://flipflopflyin.com/g/2013/05/maradona-vs-belgium/
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby midivial » 2013 Aug 13, 07:25

I saw the full 1982 wc match between brazil and argentina recently and I must say diego had already sublime tech and skill , but he was physically weaker and wasnt as dangerous as four years later. he was completely marked out of the game eventually leading to his red card. but still his passing range and ball control were impressive and ahead of its time.

He difinitely deserve an earlier set
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby blumbas » 2013 Aug 13, 23:23

I agree too he might have fourth set from 1982 mabe to 1984.
My suggestions for this set:
Lower ATT, maybe 92-94
Worse BB 78-79 looks good for me.
Better speed stats: TS 85 and ACC 94-95
And passes:
SPA 92
SPS 81
LPA 93
LPS 78
And I think technique might be a little worse - 97-98
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby Albo7 » 2013 Aug 15, 19:43

First of all why would he even need a fourth set? Who would even use it? He is well portrayed for the 1986, 1990, and 1994 World Cups. Why should we even add more to it? He was great at the 1982 World Cup, no shit. He's Diego Armando Maradona. Of course he was great. But who would even use the set? Argentina was pretty shitty during that WC and we already have sets for the most important years. Honestly, anything more than 3 sets for any players sounds like bullshit to me, and having a shitload of work to do without even needing to do so.

And secondly, what are those random suggestions? You saw one match in the 1982 World Cup, and you're ready to create one whole new set just by watching that one match? Where is the reasoning behind all those numbers? How am I supposed to even take your post seriously? You're literally saying that we should create a whole new set and give him those values because I've got your word for it? Any other post like that is getting deleted, please keep that in mind.
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby Footballgenius » 2013 Aug 15, 20:22

In the middle of his time at barca he received an ankle break that changed him a bit, it made him a bit slower from that point, his acceleration wasn't quite the same, in his footage at boca 1981 and his beginning at barca, I think the difference is noticeable. If another set was made for his younger years that would be the main difference in abilities i think, a faster maradona. (obviously there would be some other differences in playing style though) Not saying that makes it worth another set though

But I think tech was the same, from age 20 at least, he was still consistent and outrageous in the touches he could pull off. 97 puts him level with prime messi, I think hes always been superior tech to leo tbh. If anyones got 50 minutes to spare this 50 minute vid of maradona is great for seeing what he could do at boca (football starts a minute in)




he was officially the best south American player at 20 years old
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Re: Diego MARADONA | 1984-1986, 1988-1990, 1993 - 1994

Postby blumbas » 2013 Aug 15, 22:33

Why do you think that I watched only one Maradona match in 82 WC. I watched 3 or 4 vs compilations from this world cup and a few compilations from Barca and Boca. And this stats which I suggest I made because I think that this stats simulate Maradona really good for that era.

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