but if you compare him with 2002-2004 ronaldo( 96 ATT) ,1969 -1970 Pele( 92 ATT ,6 points under it's totally unfare), or di stefano( 95 ATT ), and the list goes on , was 94 maradona better in ATT ? i don't think so. if you let him on 98 then other players must be updated properly, so 96 ATT it's ok for 1994 set but not higher, he wasn't at his prime anymore
I don't know if this was posted anytime, but I found it and it's representative of his later days style. A match vs River -what hell of team Boca and River had in those times watching their players- in 1995 I think for his hair colours. He was pretty static this game and tried a lot of long passes with a good amount of short passes. My concern is about his pace in shorts, it's just minimmium, and I thought I read it before, it could be in low green's tbh. About long passing, despite failing many, he was genious at it and tried really difficult ones. It's true that he had some pace on the ball sometimes, but most of the times he looked sooo slow, even slower than in WC. I'd like to read Rob's opinion about his SPS and the rest, but set in general looks great. We can extend his era to 1997 where he played his final match vs River and was subbed at halftime, pretty similar style there if not the same.
PS: Any thought about an Argentinos' set? I was watching some footage and he was just incredible, scoring 116 goals -4 in that match where Gatti told him before it that he was a little fat boy - in 167 matches.
jurgens wrote:If you read the explanations, you'd stop wasting your time.
I'll change my argument. I think that prime Maradona deserves 95 in both SPA and LPA. I read your explanations, but that doesn't do it for me. I understand that you want to differentiate the three Maradonas and you want to highlight his passing in his later years, but his passing wasn't that much worse in his early years. He still was an absolutely incredible passer, and it's very evident in the match vs Uruguay which I linked on the previous page. He simply didn't show it that often, but 94 is just cruel. It's an absolute joke that he's under both Zico and Socrates.
We're talking about PRIME Maradona. This is the set which everyone is going to have on their PES, and it's the set which will appear in the various all-star teams. It's the set which represents Maradona, much more than the other two.
This site really needs to stop timing people out so fast , anyway, so for the second time of writing :
Would increasing SA dramatically change his playing style? during these years he showed on quite a lot of occasions supreme placement with his shots, such as the first goal against belgium 86, and there were quite a lot of examples where he found the corner/inside of the post with his shots for napoli. The problem i see, is he didnt do it with as much frequency as someone such as messi, but i see this as a result of the low scoring nature of catenaccio in serie a at the time more than anything else. If you look at his time in argentina and spain his goal/game record was ludicrous for an AM/SS, about an avergage of 0.65 a game iirc, which isnt far off of messi
So, i would consider raising SA to near-messi level as long as he doesnt doesnt spend too much time in the penalty area i will leave it with this beauty to back my claim
gol starts at 0:35
aaah just noticed save draft option, oh well i copy and pasted anyway so didnt need to write a third after so much time searching for that video
ahh, i meant his career average up to this point (age 24 when i calculated it some months ago), and its actually similar to diegos up to the point he moved to serie a (also age 24). I think messi's was on about 0.8
if we talk about their best goalscoring year though maradona had 43 goals in 45 apps in 79 i think, so again its quite similar
Minor/trivial note here (sorry if this was discussed before): I find his weight incorrect regarding some sets. I mean, it's impossible that he weighed 70 kg in all of his career. He obviously got much fatter with time.
mracho wrote: Well, then he/she was an idiom with a T at the end.
can i know why my recent post was deleted? i apollogyze if i was a bit rud, but i can fix it. it took me an hour to write it and put the videos. it had arguments. can you give it back to me so i can make the fixes and post it?, for the good of this thread.
It didn't have any arguments what-so-ever. It was filled with "in 1986 he was a great captain, hence red mentality" and stuff like that. It caused a chain reaction that filled the thread with nonsense and spam. For the good of this thread, don't post anything until you have read the sites rules, and the classic section rules. Thanx in advance.
Alexalibur wrote:Minor/trivial note here (sorry if this was discussed before): I find his weight incorrect regarding some sets. I mean, it's impossible that he weighed 70 kg in all of his career. He obviously got much fatter with time.
Can't do anything without sources. Or else we'd really just be guessing his weight.. which would be very wrong.