Michel Platini | 1983-1985


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Michel Platini | 1983-1985

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 11, 02:32

Nickname: "Le Roi" ("The King")

Club: Juventus



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Michel Platini, former three time Ballon D'or winner. Absolute legend. Technically gifted, fantastic touch and ball control. Great finisher, finishing top scorer in Serie A for three consecutive seasons. Fantastic passer of the ball. However, arguably his greatest skill was his threat from set pieces - he could bend them in from nearly any position. There didn't seem to be any real weakness in his attacking game.
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Ahh Monsieur Platini, not the most popular person in world football at the moment but an absolute hero for French football and one of the best playmakers ever. Cheif orchastrator, set piece specialist, goal scorer, goal poacher, incredible passer and the vision to open up the tightest defences all into one.

To get an idea of how effective he was for club and country Juventus and France experienced a collapse in results once Platini retired. Juventus' league positions first four seasons after Platini left: 6, 4, 4, 7. France didn't even qualify for another tournament until Euro 92 - World Cup first in 1998....

Attack.

What set about Platini compared to his other midfield contemparies (except Zico) was his extraordinary reading of the game in an attacking sense. His positioning in the box was exceptional and better than most strikers, he could dictate the flow of attacking moves so well. I read an article somewhere that said his father taught him that he cannot out run the ball. He therefore learned to read the game and know where the ball is going, learning the fundamental importance of anticipating play and knowing whom to pass to before receiving possession of the ball. Linked to teamwork as well of course but given the new thoughts surrounding attack value combined with his positional sense i'd say he's worth this value.

He was also top scorer in three successive seasons a feat unequaled in the last 50 years of Italian football, a remarkable achievment, even more so for a midfielder.

Physical stats:

Platini was never much of an athlete, actually he was quite poor physically but it wasnt really a part of his game that he needed to rely on, as Giovanni Trapattoni put it:

"Michel was one of those great players who saw fitness work as being a bit superficial. He used to say, 'We're not going to compete in the 5,000 metres at the Olympics, we have to play with our feet."

Obviously alot of people think that speed is overrated which is true, he was never mid 80's speed wise, very much a classical play-maker dictating play with his outstanding passing and vision not requiring a huge deal movement. you can see some examples in these videos:



He hardly shows much burst in his matches, some short dribbles here and there but I think it could be easily replicating with 78 Acc maybe 80-78 dribble speed. I don't think he was actually a slow player once he got going though, he just didn't need to rely on his speed as much as others was so technically gifted. Especially for the French team in that era where he usually had quick players either side of him like Tigana and Giresse to do the running for him. Slightly different at Juventus where I think he showed some decent speed off the ball to get on the end of those one- two's and loose balls into the box as you can see here:



Of course its only a short compilation of his best bits but I don't think Konami were too wrong giving him acc: 76 top speed: 82, id personally rate him acc: 78 top speed: 80. The large drop in DS and ACC should replicate the classic no 10 elegant nature of his play with the occasional burst forward with TS, along with his response and reading of the game to get on the end of other players passes

I dont think he was quite 85 value worthy agility wise , he decent 'turning circle' but he didn't quite really rely on quick movements speedy twists or turns etc more an elegant mover of the ball. Similar style players are rated around that 82/83 region.


Technical stats:

DA was a bit overrated, obviously very gifted technically but his ball control was more Xavi/Pirlo esque. It was quite subtle and used it mainly to make space for himself, wasnt one to rely upon a menagerie of tricks to enable himself to beat his man. In fact he could be easily dispossessed on the ball at times compared to other players of a similar value . off course he didnt have the same physical values as some of those other players but I'd never rate his close control this close to Riquelme let alone above the likes of Rivera (93) , Totti (92) or Valderrama (91)

What was extraordinary though was his velvet like first touch. he could kill the ball effortsly to feet or the chest. Famous for his little dinks over the last defender and chesting it down, could arguably be a point higher, but it seems fine based on current ladders.

Passing

Now he was one of the most unnerving accurate passers ive ever seen. he could really pass a ball through the eye of a needle like Bobby Charlton put it, but id still drop SPS and SPA by one . Like I said in the Cruyff thread SPS dictates ball travels and his passes were pretty varied mostly quite slow delicate passes, not really constantly hitting powerful short passes in the mid-high 80's range although he was capable..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=fr&v=nJvJZyonxUM

(And for a more delicate touch)



I also think Platini was just a tiny bit behind the likes of Maradona, Zico and Xavi in those difficult through ball type passes. His short passses on general was still among probably the top 5 ever but he wasnt above those aforementioned players when it came to those splitting, skimming a ball between a number of defenders type passes.

Now in terms of Long passing he was among the best executer of long passes with precision that I've ever seen . He often sent Boniek through with those in the Juve-era. he had a superb ability to deliver ultra-precise long passes from a deep positions that covered a great deal of distance as well hence a deserved LPS rise . Now there are more 'flair' players that may be (marginally) better at close, pint-point passing such as Zico, Maradona and Ronaldinho But there were very few that could match him in terms of long range passing, apart from maybe Pirlo Beckham and Guardiola.

It should be noted as well that he's one of the best ever at delivering assists. He has 20 assists for France alone (in 72 caps) which is remarkable considering that France didnt really have a world class striker around that time with the likes of Stopyra, Bellone and Six, Rocheteau was an exceptional player but was more of a winger. Its a shame that Jean-Pierre Papin was just coming through by the time he retired.

Shooting

Pretty interesting to rate, no doubt that he relied more on the technique than power in his shots. At times he just stroked the ball into the back of the net with the least effort possible, but then he did score plenty of nice efforts outside the box and 90% of the time they where hit quite hard and always worked the keeper ( something I think the A.I wouldnt do if he was rated among the the greens like some people were proposing). 82 looks a decent number to replicate this but i'll still lower it by one point ( on par with the likes of Messi or Dalgish) his ST will alow him to still shoot with decent power outside the box when need be. Quite a few people in the thread rate his shot acc higher which I can agree with he really had the knack to place perfectly in the corner very precise shooter at times a one point raise at least is deserved imo.

Teamwork:

Superlative vision, could dictate and control midfield so well with his passing. I was thinking about rating him around Laudrup, Cesc, kinda region maybe even higher. But after reading some dicussion about teamwork and how it relates to off-the ball movement I think its fine on 90 for now. Mostly a classic playmaker so he wasnt always on the move getting involved looking to be the first one to receive the pass in the centre off the pitch ( although he did come deep occasionaly), he saved it more for attacking areas in the final third though where his linkup play 1-2's etc were fantastic, so its pretty hard to rate . I reckon that the that the attack raise and keeping TW the way it is finds the right balance. I might test this more later.

Aggression

Looks a bit too high like p1rha said , especially when you take free roaming and reaction into account. He did sometime often sit deep then come forward to score high 80 values an 83/84 like a current day Lampard/Gerrrard should suffice here.

Mentality:

Although he could look disintrested at times he was an amazing team leader. he could really raise his game for the big matches just like Zidane- even more so. His performance at the 84 Euros ( where Platini scored the winning goal in every game)and the 85 european cup final after a tragedy like Heysel are the kind of stuff people write movies about.



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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Platini

http://www.planetworldcup.com/LEGENDS/platini.html

http://www.michelplatini.org/

http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/pla ... index.html

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Oriello » 2009 Jan 31, 05:38

Platini Apearance record: (all club competions)

1982/83 52
1983/84 43
1984/85 47
1985/86 41
1986/87 41

Platini Condition 7, believe it or not players like Del Piero and Platini maybe frail and pick up injuries but they also compete in a boat load of matches. 47 club appearances in the season he is made for is worhty of Conditioning 7 in my book.

I am not 100% sure but most of his long term injuries were when he was in France, do not know if he was a definate C with juve, as I never read of any major injury. Maybe B? Anyone got more insight on his durability at juve.

I mean 224 appearances in 5 seasons does not really look like Micheal Owen's record does it?
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby brondbylove » 2009 Jan 31, 15:34

I'd say B.

He managed to pick up the title as European footballer of the year three consecutive times in the eighties meanwhile also being Juventus' leading topscorer, despite his nominal position as attacking midfielder behind an out-and-out striker like Altobelli.

Would hardly have been possible with a C in Injury Tolerance.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jan 31, 15:38

brondbylove
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985
I'd say B.

He managed to pick up the title as European footballer of the year three consecutive times in the eighties meanwhile also being Juventus' leading topscorer, despite his nominal position as attacking midfielder behind an out-and-out striker like Altobelli.

Would hardly have been possible with a C in Injury Tolerance.


agree, as for condition 7.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Oriello » 2009 Feb 01, 20:56

I just want to be crystal clear, brondbylove you agree to Injury Tolerance B, but do you also agree to Conditoning 7? And sencesor you agree to only Conditioning 7? Or were you quoting brondbylove's post as you also agree with the Injury change?

Sorry for being a dolt, just want to be clear, so I can update with two agrees' to the suggestions. ;)
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby brondbylove » 2009 Feb 01, 21:07

Oriello wrote:I just want to be crystal clear, brondbylove you agree to Injury Tolerance B, but do you also agree to Conditoning 7? And sencesor you agree to only Conditioning 7? Or were you quoting brondbylove's post as you also agree with the Injury change?

Sorry for being a dolt, just want to be clear, so I can update with two agrees' to the suggestions. ;)


I wouldn't be able to say anything about his Conditioning so my "agree" would only apply to Injury Tolerance.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby sencesor » 2009 Feb 01, 23:36

Agree to both - Injury Tolerance B & Conditoning 7 ;)
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Oriello » 2009 Feb 01, 23:42

Okay done, waiting for more input on Conditioning. :)
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby crisfar » 2009 Mar 20, 18:25

I dunno why BB so low, not the strongest player of ever, still 73 is way too low...76-77 woud suit him better...Plus DEF shoul be 40, once in a while he used to go back to help difense...
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Oriello » 2009 Mar 31, 17:52

crisfar wrote:I dunno why BB so low, not the strongest player of ever, still 73 is way too low...76-77 woud suit him better...Plus DEF shoul be 40, once in a while he used to go back to help difense...

Agree to both these sugestions and with 77 Body Balance no lighter than Del Piero at his best.

I also noticed that the earlier mentioned 'myjuve' site has a side menu bar for each player showing minutes played every season for club! :o JACKPOT

Clearly Platini needs/ Deserves Conditioning 8, he played 4528 minutes for juve in 82/83 starting in all 52 matches!! being subbed only 5 times for juve, he also played 4 more time for France that season 56 games on Conditioning 6!!?? Why are people spitting into Micheles face? What did he do to you? :?:

For the 84/85 season it is a lesser number of 4018 minutes over 47 matches for juve( started 46 games subbed of only 5 times), another 6 matches for France that season. Shite what more proof is required, he has Injury B to accont for when his body takes a beating and he is on the bench but otherwise he did show that he can take the games given to him in stride when fit.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Rfuna » 2009 Apr 09, 15:09

Oriello wrote:Clearly Platini needs/ Deserves Conditioning 8, he played 4528 minutes for juve in 82/83 starting in all 52 matches!! being subbed only 5 times for juve, he also played 4 more time for France that season 56 games on Conditioning 6!!?? Why are people spitting into Micheles face? What did he do to you? :?:

For the 84/85 season it is a lesser number of 4018 minutes over 47 matches for juve( started 46 games subbed of only 5 times), another 6 matches for France that season. Shite what more proof is required, he has Injury B to accont for when his body takes a beating and he is on the bench but otherwise he did show that he can take the games given to him in stride when fit.

don't forget, the pace of the game back then wasn't as it was today. it was much, much slower.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Immanuel Kantona » 2009 May 22, 21:07

I think his shot power needs to be much lower, somewhere around 76 or 77. Most of his goals were stroked in to the back of the net with the least effort possible, and even with this reduction he'll still be capable of hitting a powerful shot (as he could in real life).

Also, I think you underrate his passing. Platini was one of the best passers of a football of all time; having had a look at the ladders I can't see why he doesn't deserve to at least be equal with Zidane and the like. I would suggest SPA 98 / LPA 97 (to be honest I feel he should be 99 on both), as Platini had an unbelievable and unerring range of passing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6wrlDzyqlU France Portugal at Euro 1984 shows that at the height of his powers he was imbued with a near miraculous ability to pick out his man. Both stats should be higher to reflect this.

Great version of him though, far more realistic than the default in the game. Thanks.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Brezza » 2009 Jun 08, 16:01

Immanuel Kantona wrote:I think his shot power needs to be much lower, somewhere around 76 or 77. Most of his goals were stroked in to the back of the net with the least effort possible, and even with this reduction he'll still be capable of hitting a powerful shot (as he could in real life).

Also, I think you underrate his passing. Platini was one of the best passers of a football of all time; having had a look at the ladders I can't see why he doesn't deserve to at least be equal with Zidane and the like. I would suggest SPA 98 / LPA 97 (to be honest I feel he should be 99 on both), as Platini had an unbelievable and unerring range of passing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6wrlDzyqlU France Portugal at Euro 1984 shows that at the height of his powers he was imbued with a near miraculous ability to pick out his man. Both stats should be higher to reflect this.

Great version of him though, far more realistic than the default in the game. Thanks.


Aye your right absolutely marvelous passer of the ball best ive ever seen overall just behind Guardiola, Id rate his long pass accuracy higher than SPA though so I'll raise it, it was clearly better than Zidane and Zico.

He's probably the best goalscoring midfielder of all time with Zico but I don't think that there should be this kind of gap between them, Id probably drop attack and shooting to similar levels, like to here more opinions though.

Disagree with dropping shot power that low, he did score his fair share of goals outside the box but like you said they were more placed that struck with great power, a 80-82 region should be fine.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Uzair » 2009 Jul 15, 13:13

attack and SA shoud both be lowered to 87
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby Rfuna » 2009 Jul 15, 15:47

Uzair wrote:attack and SA shoud both be lowered to 87

i was about to ask if attack needs to be so high for a AMF
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby rooooney86 » 2010 Jan 21, 15:31

the great nr.10 ! his stats should be better
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Alcohomicide » 2010 Jan 21, 15:46

rooooney86 - could you please stop bumping topics then not suggesting values? These posts are not very helpful. :(

Pretty please?
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jan 23, 16:01

P08: Pinpoint Pass can't be used because he hasn't got any of these positions: CB; SB; WB; DM; CM. Instead of that he should have P09: Early Cross.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1984/1985

Postby p1rha » 2010 Jan 25, 18:34

Immanuel Kantona wrote:I think his shot power needs to be much lower, somewhere around 76 or 77. Most of his goals were stroked in to the back of the net with the least effort possible, and even with this reduction he'll still be capable of hitting a powerful shot (as he could in real life).

Also, I think you underrate his passing. Platini was one of the best passers of a football of all time; having had a look at the ladders I can't see why he doesn't deserve to at least be equal with Zidane and the like. I would suggest SPA 98 / LPA 97 (to be honest I feel he should be 99 on both), as Platini had an unbelievable and unerring range of passing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6wrlDzyqlU France Portugal at Euro 1984 shows that at the height of his powers he was imbued with a near miraculous ability to pick out his man. Both stats should be higher to reflect this.

Great version of him though, far more realistic than the default in the game. Thanks.


I generally agree with ur sugestions. I have that game from 1984, if someone wants it i think i can upload it in a torrent.

I have some sugestions of my own to make. Keep in mind Platini was a very unfit player even for his time (many say this is why he ended his career so soon). An interesting thing about him said by one of his teamates (Rossi i think), and one of the reasons why he scored so much, is that he would make the pass before the striker had found a space to shoot. This way the striker had to give the ball back to him and he would score himself. In my opinion he just had an exceptional sense of oportunity and he's one of the best finishers ever.

Another aspect of his game was his ability to play with the same ease as a midfielder or a foward. During the same game, if he was needed in midfield he would be there spreading passes, if he was needed in atack he would be there scoring goals.

Attack: 91 - Better than many strikers, his attack positioning was great in every aspect, wheather we are talking about box positioning or just the flow of the atacking moves. If there's one midfielder that deserves orange for atack we've got him here.

Defence: 41 - Yeah he would track back, but not really to defend. Messi also tracks back if needed and he isn't so lazy yet he's rated at 42.

Balance: 75 - A hard one here. He was weak but he had a good balance, but that kind of balance only technical players have. When there were tussels he would just dive or loose the fight.

Stamina: 80 - hrm... it's fatty Platini. Messi is at 85. If u see his face after 1984 game u'll notice how tired he is and i'm sure Trapatonni would agree with me. I think 80 is quite generous already, if he's in good shape he can play 120 mins at a good pace without getting exausted.

Top Speed: 80
Acceleration: 82 - C'mon he wasn't fast at all. Again i think these numbers are pretty generous, 'cause he would hardly run off the ball and when he did we wasn't faster than average, in fact he was slower.

Agility: 85 - Being a rather unfit player he didn't had fast legs or a quick waist movement like others. With 85 he's on pair with David Pizarro and Rooney, who are defenetly more agile than he was.

Dribble Speed: 83 - He would also loose a fair deal of speed on the ball, but that'spartially how he mantained his amazing control. Platini was a "short" dribbler, meaning he could easly take an oponent out of his way inside the box but he could dribble past a whole defense.

Short Pass Speed: 81 - everybody talks about his passing range. Ok, but whe he did those long passes he used long lofted balls, not ground passes. In fact his short passes were really slow andt i can guarantee that with SPS 81 u'll still be able to do those 15 to 20 metres cuting passes without them getting intercepted, and u'll get a far more realistic impression of his passing style.

Shot Accuracy: :?: - I really have doubts here. Platini was fucking acurate, he could easly place a ball in the top far corner and he surely deserves more than 87... but how much? I'll think of it.

Shot Power: 79 - As before. He had weak legs and his ST alow him to still shoot with decent power and score from outside the box. If my SP 74 Saviola still scores from 20-25 metres why shouldn't he?


Jump: 83 - Platini was a very good header but his leap was nothing special. He scored many goals this way but let's face it he just didn't had the balls to jump with a defender, that's why i think it would be more realistic if his jump was lowered. My Aimar, who is shorter, has 81 for jump and he still shows a good leap, i think 83 would suit Platini better

Aggression: 84 - With this new "free roaming" card there's no need for such a high agression. Even in previous pes there's no need for such a high value, as his *reaction star, TW,atack and response will do the job.

Condition/Fitness: 7

Weak Foot Accuracy: 6


P07
: Mazing run - He just wasn't this kind of player, not at all. Even in those utube videos full of highlights i doubt u'll find many dribbling runs from him. He liked to pass the ball and receive it again, and being a not that fast and fit player he tried to play a wiser and less tiring game.

P09: Early Cross - This is for Becks, Figo and company. Platini liked to atack through the middle with combinations and small dribbles, u don't want him to move to the side line in order to get a position for a cross, u want him to loft a ball over the defense.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby zuo » 2010 Jan 28, 19:21

Mazing Run and Early Cross are nonsense....probably the card applicable is []Classic N°10. Touches and passes,small dribblings and 1-two's.that's what Platini did.
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