Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962


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Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 10, 18:26

Name: Nílton Reis dos Santos

Nickname: "The Encyclopedia of Football"

Club: Botafogo



Growth type: Standard/Lasting

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A powerful attacking left fullback who could play anywhere down the left wing. He was instrumental in adding balance and putting even greater pressure on defenses who had enough to contend with in Pele, Didi and Garrincha.

Nicknamed he Encyclopaedia for his incomparable technique, his superb reading of the game, actical knowledge of the his great fair play on the pitch, Nilton Santos always played at Botafogo FR, the club where he started his footballing career in 1948, when he was already 21. He started as a forward, and maybe he owes his great technical skill to it, but then Carlito Rocha and Zeze Moreira, respectively manager and coach of Botafogo FR, turned him into a back. The first halfback who was able to attack starting from backline was born, maybe, from the idea to move Nilton Santos backward.

With Botafogo he won four Rio de Janeiro State leagues (in 1948, the first one after 13 years, then in 1957, 1961 and 1962), two Rio-Sao Paulo tournaments (in 1962 and 1964), a Copa America (in 1949) and the Pan-American Games (in 1952) thanks also to the contribution of other champions such as legendary Garrincha (a great friend of his also out of the pitch), Didi, Amarildo and Zagallo. To Nilton Santos Botafogo was his club for life, the only shirt he ever wore apart form Brazil's.

He made his debut with the Brazilian national team in 1949, in the Copa Americavictory against Colombia (5-0) and only one year later he played the first of the four World Cups with the Seleção After the unlucky experiences (in Uruguay) in 1950 and (in Switzerland) in 1954, Nilton Santos took part in the victorious campaigns in Sweden in 1958 and in Chile in 1962, those were the first two world titles gained in Brazil's football history. He became famous for scoring a magnificent goal in the 1958 tournament when Brazil played Austria. Dribbling his way through the whole field, he finished with a superb shot, driving his coach Vicente Feola crazy (he kept on insisting for Nilton to retreat to the defensive field, but was ignored until the goal was scored). With right back Djalma Santos he formed one of the strongest defensive pairs in the history of football.

In 1998 he was chosen by the journalists from all over the world to be part of the century's best team and In 2006 the IFFHS (International Federation of Football History & Statistics) mentioned him with Elias Figueroa, Jose Nasazzi, Hector Chumpitaz and Daniel Passarella as the best five South American defenders ever. An absolutely great player worldwide.


HONOURS:

Country:
FIFA World Cup Winner (1958, 1962)

Individual:
1958 FIFA World Cup All-Star Team
1998 FIFA World Team Of Century
Brazil Football Museum Hall Of Fame
FIFA 100
FIFA World Team of the 20th Century


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%ADlton_Santos

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%ADlton_Santos

http://www.goldenfoot.com/acm-on-line/H ... a2637.html

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/stati ... yer=44604/

http://www.niltonsantos.com.br/page/index.asp

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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Luisao82 » 2011 Mar 02, 06:03

beiderbecke wrote:because he was very tall for such a high value. I recommend 84


You're actually contradicting yourself: proportionally agile but taller players deserve higher values for AGILITY.
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby locoloco » 2011 Mar 02, 16:04

But he has to have WFA and WFF 8
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Keaty22 » 2012 Jul 01, 20:57

Are these in new standards?
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby bhznet » 2013 Nov 27, 19:03

RIP Enciclopédia... :cry:
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby stewie3 » 2014 Apr 26, 13:44

Even if these are new standards he definitely underrated. His physical qualities, passing, response, tenacity and teamwork all ought to go up. The previous stats before the update were fine. Why was he downgarded so much? He is considered one the greatest defender of all time even he has a late prime.
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Turambur » 2017 Sep 15, 21:39

Last month i've been watching all his matches from 1958 and 1962 world cup, and what impressed me was the energetic he was at that age. Yes he was almost walking when he was on the ball, but could make some good burst even in the end of the match. 86/87 is a good value for stamina. What impresived me was his defensive skills, he wins almost evey one-on-one situations with elegance, without making big fouls, in that made's me remeber to Javier Zanetti in his old days with Inter.
The thing for what I've really came here is because I can't see him with 90 on DA. I couldn't see him passing more than a forward without intention of defending or somethin. Really can't see him over Javier Zanetti (2010) in pure close control. Can't see him over mid yellows.
The other point is LPA and LPS. He plays long balls all the time with better precision than 80 and much more range than 76, one or two point more will suit him better.


Nilton vs Fance WC 58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE-CbXDMsRo
min 00:20 a good long ball
min 00.33 good bc, and can't dribble player
min 00:48 another good long ball
min 01:10 another long ball
and all the match it's the same, he wins every situation and then makes a long ball pase. :lol:

I'm only suggesting downgrade in DA to 84-85, and 82 for LPA.
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Moysís » 2017 Sep 17, 16:12

Defence should be much higher from this, at least on 88, while RES could go down in green zone.. he was extremly good defender, excellent in positional play with clean and almost perfect way of defending, always in front of opponent, too smart player who knew predict one or two movements in advance. No matter what he ordinated as side back defending has been his main strenght, he was so similar to Paolo Maldini looking how good he was from position of side back in those defence movements.. AGI should go down as well, he was pretty tall player for side back already in that time of 50's and we could saw in video above he was pretty slow and stiff in movements, but with good control on the ball.. I'd say TEC > DA in his case where I can agree with Turambur, this is already over bone keep him in orange zone.. he wasn't been player who will start run with ball and break through the wing like classic Ze Roberto or current Marcelo for an example, I'd go here with mid yellow value maybe even lower, some more opinions would be good.. TW could be boosted little bit, he was good in movements on the side with nice understanding with others, especially in NT making excellent contribution and understanding with Zagallo on the left side as well with those two from midfield zone (Didi and Zito)..

excellent way of defending..
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Brezza » 2017 Sep 18, 13:46

OK made some tweaks, although he seemed fairly responsive dealing with loose balls coming out to meet wingers etc so don't quite agree with lowering response too much. Might be worth shortening the era as he looked far more quicker and agile in 58 compared to 62 which is obviously pretty understandable.
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Moysís » 2017 Sep 18, 14:44

Well, concerning era of playing I think it would be better option put 54-58 and than value for AGI will be more acceptable since he was in '54 29 years old with fair mobility and still pretty good speed.. later he lost lot on mobility but still with fantastic defensive work.. but what about AGG? Isn't it little bit high? if we take into consideration start from 1954. maybe could work although I think something like low yellow will be better.. what do you think Brezza?
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Brezza » 2017 Sep 18, 15:04

Yeah makes sense.. also thinking about it I don't think he should have a higher defence value than Djalma Santos who was known to be the better defender out of the two..
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Moysís » 2017 Sep 18, 15:10

Hmmm.. I wouldn't say, Djalma has been more athletic and responsive with quicker reactions on the field, but in pure defending he can't match good old Nilton, with all due respect to Djalma.. first value of 88 were much better imo..
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Brezza » 2017 Sep 20, 08:54

I didn't see any really gap between there tackling and ability to disposes players. Like you said Djalma was more athletic and a tad more responsive, while N. Santos was maybe more tactically astute.. Maybe there should be a bigger gap between them in terms of teamwork?
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Moysís » 2017 Sep 20, 12:17

It should be bigger gap between their DEF value for Nilton and reflect Djalma responsiveness with lower value for Nilton at least on 80 if you dont agree with green zone and I'd increased Djalma RES to 87 with DEF around 82/83.. concerning TW they should have similar numbers, both they had good comunitations on the field among wingers especially as well good understandings with those center backs.. btw Nilton has been so smart player, tactically almost perfect so I suggested lower value for RES and higher his DEF, while Djalma has been maybe more completed than Nilton better athlete but never was that good defensively although he had good defensive work since he has been used also as center back, mostly to his mobility and also good aerial strength..
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Re: Nílton SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Brezza » 2017 Sep 20, 12:28

Ok consider it done :)
would be nice to have full updates of the 58 and 62 Brazil world cup squads eventually.

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