bitz wrote:What is the key element to Koutris's game other than his crossing? I think KONAMI got him right in PES2019 and the same goes for El Arabi, whom they changed from a technical CF to a slow, tanky finisher that he is in reality.
Back to Koutris, he isn't particularly fast or technical, his stamina barely lasts through the whole match and he is a liability tactically and in the air. Koutris is a fullback who despite his shortcomings would feed the striker with decent accuracy That was his major contribution to the lineup. If anything his short passing should be raised as well as he is able to send ground balls parallel to goal with decent speed.
I disagree with the ''overachiever'' idea completely. Koutris is one of the more dynamic fullbacks in the league if his head is straight, he is even tenacious. He is very athletic, with solid body control. Technically he is also on the high end in the league's SB ladders, with only 4 players above him in DA/Tech. Regarding his Stamina, it was lowered from 82 to represent how problematically little energy he expended last year game in game out. He can easily justify a higher number, he did so in the 17/18 season and even showed it in the few games he played this year seeing he was losing his starting spot. Last year he continuously coasted through games in uncharacteristic fashion for a full-back. That said, his problem with inconsistency of performance in general was far better addressed by lowering his form to 3 which was done after the fact. With that in mind reverting Sta to 82 is justified too as it was a half measure to begin with and is kind of unfair. I also agree on a point increase in SPA, possibly SPS. BB and Resp should be increased back to 75 too imo .
bitz wrote:Of course Tsimikas can do this and so much more, that's why he is preferred over Koutris.
And how is that represented with them literally in one point distance in Att/TS/ACC/DS/DA/TECH/BB/CURL/AGG/SPS and the same number for SPA and LPA. That's the thing, the two are very similar in their attacking skillet, with one edging out over the other slightly in different areas. What sets them apart in a big way is that Tsimikas plays his whole flank like a real full back, connecting with the team and running relentlessly, and that he actually has a key element to his offense and a weapon he can use with little set up, continuously and to great effect, his crossing.
bitz wrote:On the subject of comparing the LPA of the two, I think it's fine for two players to have the same value because they will still end up different when you look at the rest of their stats. Tsimikas can sit on 80 LPA in his own right, Koutris the same, Bouchalakis the same. Bouchalakis can probably be given a boost to LPS and *pinpoint pass, which will further differentiate him from the others and enhance his ability to play long balls from one flank to the other.
I don't disagree with that notion but my question is still the same.. when did Koutris show this kind of crossing ability ? Tsimikas shows it literally game in and game out. You know this
. He is on the league's top five chart https://www.slgr.gr/en/statistics/18/
for successful crosses made this season with one of the 3 best percentages, only SB among them. I have posted tons of material of his crossing on his thread . Bouchalakis is one of the established quality long passers of the league. And i agree with the addition of pinpoint pass and LPS, possibly LPA increase too. Both these guys are on the precipice of 81 even.
But how does any of this reflect positively on Koutris ? In this argument about his crossing we have yet to touch on his crossing ability. He is capable of a strong neat cross with an average whip. There is no comparison between his crossing and Tsimikas' in terms of intent and ability to target a player or even an area. The majority of Koutris' crosses are blind to accuracy and thus doomed from the beginning and he becomes marginally less effective from difficult angles or distance, unlike the latter who produces from seemingly every spot . Nor is there any comparison in their confidence utilizing them or their output. For Tsimikas (crossing ) and Bouchalakis ( long passing ) it's become a trademark skill, for Koutris last year it was a trademark tendency preceded by him indecisively time wasting and depleting all his good options and then scrounging or turning back to find space for himself.
To answer your first question, Koutris is a well rounded fullback without a real standout quality in offense. His tactical ineptness and defensive weakness downgrade him to below par status if we are judging him in top league standards inspite
of his qualities and strong potential as an attacking fullback, yet he has a claim to those standards because of them. I don's see why we need to personally compensate for that.
Imo he is 77 max. Again, with only 6 SBs with a higher rating.
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78 if we are pushing it . Beside Tsimikas, out of the three 3 players with LPA 80 or higher, Vieirinha and Galo made that same chart of 5 players with the most successful crosses last season https://www.slgr.gr/en/statistics/17/
and the season before that https://www.slgr.gr/en/statistics/16/
. In that same season the final player Giannoulis, a gifted crosser, was the top assistman in the league and the only one out of all the players referenced here not playing for Olympiakos, Paok or Aek at the time.
I rest my case.