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Kostas Fortounis

Postby PES Stats Database » 2011 Jun 23, 21:25

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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2016 Oct 26, 09:17

Started the season with problems with both Sanchez and then Bento and it showed in his form,after his first full game though,he's just shown his class with every touch,something that has to be credited partly to Bento as well is that he seems even more attentive in his defensive duties and tracks back more often.This edition of Olympiakos' midfield has taken some of the weight of distribution and initiating attacks from him thanks to the addition of Martins.So with two good ball playing midfielders behind him,he seems to be more involved in critical instances of the game like key passes or advancing more in the final third from the flanks and holding the ball in very advanced positions which he didn't do quite as much last year in a system the was more centered around him for scoring and assisting and needed he to be much more of a talisman.It's interesting to see what numbers he gives this year but i believe he will be even more important even if he gets lower ones.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby bitz » 2016 Dec 19, 17:46

Am I alone thinking it's time to drop his ment in the 60's? He's been showing lack of interest far too long to be honest.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2016 Dec 19, 19:32

no problem here,it's so dissapointing though,after Bento mad him a starter again he played 5 games where he seemed like a starter in the Premier Leauge but he's gone back to being lazy lately.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Feb 11, 20:30

What i keep noticing is how important good tactics are,not only for the team's performance but for players individualy more than i thought atleast,weather it's Hazard or Fortounis,low or high Ment players, they'll play sooo below their value if their manager can't specifically integrate them in the way the team plays(or if the whole team plays randomly).You'd expect these kind of super talented players would shine more playing more unrestrained,but there is a huge differance between having a free role in a team where every player knows how they are supposed to function, and when the manager just doesn't know how to utilise a player so he just leaves him to do whatever...
On the upside his trapping of the ball is amazing :mrgreen:.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Feb 26, 19:45

Related to the last comment, should we lower TW as well? He was everywhere last year,but the way the team plays randomly he seems lost compared to how he played back then,76-77 would show what he does now.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Apr 01, 19:02

We should do some downgrades on his stats,the season's almost done and he hasn't recovered sadly.His ground passing hasn't been dangerous,his crosses from free kicks are worst than last season,his free kicks are usually mishit and he seems heavier.The thing he's displayed consistently this season is his technique and he's controlls have been great from very difficult angles.
I suggest this: Atk 77 TS 78 Acc 77 DS 80 SPA 79 LPA 81 SA 74 FKA 81 BC 87-88.
Saved a copy of his set from last year in the first post.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby bitz » 2017 Apr 02, 09:29

Pretty much agree, although even his touch was better last season for me.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Apr 02, 11:08

it probably was,it might have stood out to me more this season since everything else is worse
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Jul 09, 16:09

his direct corner kick goal from 2 angles, from the friendly against Mechelen
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby bitz » 2017 Sep 18, 16:15

Club should get rid of him asap. He's doing harm when he plays at this point. Physically he's at his lowest, barely able to run nowadays.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Sep 18, 19:01

He's continued his physical decline from where he left off last season. He also looks stiff in his turns and easy to outmuscle, pair that with his very weak resolve and he's having trouble at every confrontation.
Though imo he's irreplaceable in a conventional 4-2-3-1, neither Marin or Ofoe have something close to his passing range and repertoire. This has also become apparent because of the absence of another good distributor which is a problem by itself for the team. Nevertheless i consider this one of his big strengths, his best currently, an area we should definitely rate him highly ( namely his SPS ).
I was waiting until a little later on in the season to see how he fairs but since you brought it up that's the direction i see his set can take if he keeps playing like he does now. A downgrade to physical stats, possibly a further decrease in Ment and more emphasis on his passing ability i think is deserved.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Oct 14, 20:42

He had a very good game today finally. Was direct, some nice displays of his passing, of his dribbling too which he hadn't shown in quite a while. His agility isn't quite 80s right now for me and i was also starting to question his DA but it seems he's still got it. I love watching his control, i think i've mentioned this ;), just a tier above everyone else in the league or the nt.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby bitz » 2017 Oct 15, 05:18

Houy wrote:He had a very good game today finally. Was direct, some nice displays of his passing, of his dribbling too which he hadn't shown in quite a while. His agility isn't quite 80s right now for me and i was also starting to question his DA but it seems he's still got it. I love watching his control, i think i've mentioned this ;), just a tier above everyone else in the league or the nt.


I think his ability to pull off 1-2 decisive passes per game be it from open play or set pieces, is what makes him indispensable to club and nt. For that reason I would suggest to bring back up his SPA/LPA values, and perhaps FKA as well (for his indirect freekicks). Then of course bring down his speed, I seem him around 74 TS, 77 AGI nowadays.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2017 Oct 15, 12:28

Agreed. Maybe hold off on his FKA since he's having a dry spell. I get what you're saying but i think his current value is ok to show him as a threat.

I'd like to put some more focus on his short passing especially, both ability and range. I think he's safely 82 for both SPA/SPS, aside from his incicive ones i don't think anyone else in the league can open up play to the wings with a single ground pass from 30 meters like he does.

I am a little uncertain about his TS cause i think he can still produce a run at decent speed. But i agree he has become the kind of player in the use of his speed we rate at a near white value. I think we could have him a point higher, keep him at greens.

I agree on Agi, his DA is now more prominent in his dribbling by comparison. He uses deft touches and is often hindered by how rigid he is at turning his body. Also i suggest lowering his BB, he's been dropping so much lately. Yesterday he showed some decent resilience after a long time but i see him at 74/75 at the moment.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby bitz » 2017 Oct 15, 13:31

Yeah agree on BB, he's such a pussy, that's why I don't like the fact he's given the armbrand.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Rex » 2017 Oct 19, 16:40

His delivery from corners is brilliant, a lot of swerve with decent pace. He assisted from there against Cyprus and against Barcelona in previous few weeks
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2018 Jan 24, 22:09

I swapped his SPA and DA, also decreased his ST. His shooting has really got worse compared to his first two seasons. In retrospect his shooting back then was more about placement ( where he's also not at the same level currently ) instead of hitting the ball proficiently when it wasn't well under his control.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2018 Apr 30, 14:31

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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2018 Sep 12, 15:55

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Since the beginning of the season the effectiveness of his dribbling has drastically improved . He takes advantage of the efficiency of his controls to start moving on the ball as soon as he receives it to get a good position on his opponent and leave him behind, taking advantage of his DS which he had abandoned for the longest time.
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Re: Kostas Fortounis

Postby Houy » 2018 Oct 01, 12:02

He was just serving goals on a plate with his deliveries yesterday, he's become deadly with them this season. Rex remarked on his prowess last season as well but i don't believe he has ever been as incredibly consistent as he is now.

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