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Toni Kroos

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 18:56

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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby lpsergiolp » 2014 Aug 13, 19:51

R9style wrote:I think he's more cmf or dmf than amf

No way! He was AMF on Bayern... He is AMF on Germany... He can play as CMF, but he is AMF, for sure!

Heynckes' Bayern
Martínez as DMF, Schweinsteiger as CMF, Kroos as AMF

Guardiola's Bayern
Lahm as DMF, Schweinsteiger as CMF, Kroos as AMF

Germany
Lahm or Schweinsteiger as DMF, Schweinsteiger, Khedira or Gundogan as CMF, Kroos as AMF
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby laiboris » 2014 Sep 16, 08:00

Pls add DMF to his position.
He is obviously playing the last man of the midfield in both RM and Germany squads.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby čale » 2014 Sep 16, 09:05

it's been a long time since i've made a set from scratch but just wanted to post this set as i've never been satisfied with the 1st post of Kroos, he feels just too conservatively rated and more all-rounded that he is...

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TECHNIQUE
Attack: 82
Defence: 54
Header Accuracy: 65
Dribble Accuracy: 82
Short Pass Accuracy: 90
Short Pass Speed: 87
Long Pass Accuracy: 86
Long Pass Speed: 88
Shot Accuracy: 84
Place Kicking: 78
Swerve: 84
Ball Control: 90
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 7
SPEED
Response: 75
Explosive Power: 79
Dribble Speed: 69
Top Speed: 76
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 78
Stamina: 85
Kicking Power: 88
Jump: 69
Injury Tolerance: B
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 2
Defence Awareness: 1
Form: 6
Tenacity: 69
Teamwork: 85

OLD STATS:
Acceleration: 79
Shot Technique: 77
Aggression: 76
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Major general Woof » 2014 Sep 16, 10:01

@čale: I've never seen his short passes this accurate, never in Bayern and neither in Real. He doesn't open up space with grounded passing, rather does it directly to a player. And when he goes incisive, that's an exception to his game and still not worthy of 90 IMHO. There are players more capable of playing an accurate through ball or executing a normal pass that's hard who aren't on orange value. Rakitic and Coutinho (isn't he 89?) come to mind. Also LPA is alright with the value in current set, but I think yours with higher BC, ATT and shooting + lower DEF is overally well representative of Kroos.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby R9style » 2014 Oct 27, 18:44

lpsergiolp wrote:
R9style wrote:I think he's more cmf or dmf than amf

No way! He was AMF on Bayern... He is AMF on Germany... He can play as CMF, but he is AMF, for sure!

Heynckes' Bayern
Martínez as DMF, Schweinsteiger as CMF, Kroos as AMF

Guardiola's Bayern
Lahm as DMF, Schweinsteiger as CMF, Kroos as AMF

Germany
Lahm or Schweinsteiger as DMF, Schweinsteiger, Khedira or Gundogan as CMF, Kroos as AMF



okey, but now he play definitively cmf and sometime dmf with rm!!
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby PIPA23 » 2014 Oct 27, 19:17

in Real Madrid he playes a CM for sure...there are others to play AM in Real, either Isco or James, when Bale playes on his right wing position..
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby KillaKlo » 2014 Oct 28, 00:28

he played CMF at the world cup too and DMF in the last games for germany
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby PoolRM » 2014 Oct 29, 10:50

well i think he will be playing as a CMF kinda DMF mostly in real madrid whit modric on his side
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Varane002 » 2014 Oct 31, 06:26

In this video, he clearly deserves the S19 :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUZ9mXLjTq0
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby milanillo » 2014 Nov 07, 19:26

His default position now is DMF in real madrid ,however here he has not this postion yet
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby s-cobar » 2014 Nov 17, 20:08

should be CM, can't remember when he played AM in the past.

and, how good is he really at Real, if I believe german newspapers he's celebrate as a god at Real. Can't believe that he's the new superchef at the Real midfield
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Korinov » 2014 Nov 18, 12:08

He's been pretty good whenever I've seen him.

Madrid actually have a midfield able to boss any game, it doesn't even matter who plays really, any Modric+Kroos combination plus either Isco or James (or both) has enough physique, technique and stamina to monopolize the ball and turn the match into a Madrid attacking feast. If they were a truly efficient team in terms of finishing what they create, they would be scoring at least 5 games per match, maybe more. But I guess that wouldn't even be fun to watch.

And Kroos seems to fit nicely into the system. So far he's been specially outstanding in regards to his long passing, he's extremely accurate 99% of the time, IMO he has potential to be easily mid oranges. The problem is, he tends to be a conservative long passer. If you compare him to Modric, or even James/Isco, I'd say Kroos sits above all of them in terms of pure high pass accuracy, but he tends to be more conservative in regards to what he's usually willing to try. James and Isco, and Modric as well to a lesser extent, tend to go for a killer ball when they see the chance. Meanwhile Kroos is less risky but also more efficient and gives away less balls. So for now I don't have issues with 89 LPA, it's probably enough for what he tends to show.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Major general Woof » 2014 Nov 18, 16:36

Korinov said it all. Btw I think he could get even higher LPS. That's one of the reason his long passes are that consistent. He's a pinpoint passer, I believe he can pick almost any part of the pitch (regardless of distance) and nail the ball right to the spot. He just doesn't deliver them into space, he's more about targeting the player, which he almost never fails.

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got SPA 90 (capable, but reserved), maybe Kroos could have LPA 90. But I'm even more positive about LPS bordering oranges. Also rarely runs with the ball and it's never with even fair speed. At least when I'm watching him. A white 70s DS is what I'm thinking of.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby s-cobar » 2014 Nov 18, 16:52

if I take that what i know from bayern, the nt and two cl matches with real that i've senn, i could agree with a higher lps, guru ist also right about that he uses a target not thespace. best example the free kick against france in the wc qf.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Ramindbroken » 2014 Dec 13, 19:33

Agree with 90 in LPA, not so sure about SPA, i think 89 is enough.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Dec 21, 01:26

Damn him, he's just perfect...
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Krlence » 2014 Dec 21, 11:58

I follow these coments a few months already and I can't believe why Toni is so underrated player in world of football. Look % of his pasess in every game, at the moment and at previous year he is the most precise middlefielder at the world and he derseves serious update, his freekikcks are amazing from corner etc. Look this :http://www.whoscored.com/Players/31772
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Ramindbroken » 2014 Dec 22, 02:03

I dont see how he is underrated. Like i said before, SPA can go to 89 and LPA to 90... but honestly i dont see how he can be any higher. Its the same i said already in Isco's thread.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Major general Woof » 2015 Mar 03, 12:28

Lately I'm more and more convinced he needs higher LPA and LPS. I can't think of anyone whose long passes are so consistent and frequent. There are some examples I'd post but you can look him up on yotonysport YT channel, in practically every vs video there is at least one long ranging diagonal missile. He doesn't produce splitting passes a la Messi, but if he spots a free man 50 meters away, he can turn what would most mids continue with a build up play into a counter attack. I'd suggest 91/92 for LPA and 88 for LPS.
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Re: Toni Kroos

Postby Obidixwanovic » 2015 Apr 01, 16:46

Most definitely long pass accuracy is 90+ I feel 92 is a good start also long pass speed definitely 90+ too maybe 93. Match after match he shows unrivaled long pass accuracy. MOD EDIT: No need for the implication of bias

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