Yeah, we're really lacking work in the pre 60s, and that MU team has a great story altogether, that's why I decided to include them in this poll, although my preferred line of work is from the mid/late 70s to the late 90s. And considering that from the most successful teams of the 60s/50s, MU 68 is the one with less work and sets in it, on our site. So, it's definitely a team that will keep being a candidate for me.
As for Bayern, as I already wrote, I'm trying to finish up work with the victorious sides Victor.
vinnie wrote:i'm interested to see your opinions on the spine of that milan team, baresi-rijkaard-gullit-van basten. Rijkaard and Gullit have always had unbelievable default sets, honestly Rijkaard has a case to be the best player of all time according to his default set. I haven't seen enough to refute this opinion, but i've seen the 1988 cup match between milan and red star, and stojkovic absolutely toyed with milan anytime he was on the ball. though i do consider stojkovic as one of the most technically brilliant players ever (at least before his injury just after he arrived at marseille which almost completely ruined him), it would be interesting to see a fresh look at that legendary milan core.
The 95 ajax team is very worthy of a looking at as well.
Yeah from the look of it Ajax 95 and Milan 88-90 seem to be the most preferred teams. Milan was truly a Dream team with that formation and the dutch trio always had a legendary aura. While Ajax 95 would be a team that would later break in order to furnish the best teams of Europe with crazy talent for the many years to come. I definitely understand the interest people got for these 2 teams.
Kaltz has a very interesting default set with key differences compared to his current set too, maybe if he played on a worthy team it might be useful to review him while watching his teams in general.
Lol, Kaltz? But I already reviewed and worked on Kaltz. Here's my post
the team i know the least about and is actually the least complete is steau bucherest. i don't think i know any of the players that won that CL or how they did it. Maybe not as flashy but worth a crack as a CL winner?
Many would argue that teams like Steaua and Porto would never have become European Champions if the ban on English teams (coz of the Juve-Liverpool incident) wouldn't be in effect during those years. But that period was a culmination and somewhat a prime of all major sports in communist Balkans countries. Taking from the Soviet way of training and youth sport-schools, Balkans countries produced an insane amount of talent in many sports during these years. Nadia Comanecis Romanian generation in Gymnastics, Abadjievs mighty Bulgarian Weightlifting team, the great Yugoslav Red Star Belgrade team that would become European Champion, just to name a few. So of course the Steaua team was also a product of that "Golden Age" of sports in the Balkans. I haven't seen much ofthat team myself, but I know they had 2 monster stikers in Lacatus and Piturca, and I caught some of Belodedici when I was working on the Red Star team. He was a very very solid and secure defender. One of the few players that would win 2 European Cups with different teams, and both from the Balkans!
So it's definitely an interesting option for the future to work on this team.
like kuer said though, any team on this list would be good. i voted for 68' united, but i didn't use my second vote and would've gone for 95' ajax as my b choice.
Yes, I'm perfectly fine on working on any of these teams as well, and since I had no major favourites, I decided to let the users in here choose for me instead.
Moysís wrote:Albo, just one question. When you prepare these CL winners do you use only european matches of that teams for watching or you are based also on domestic matches from same period for the each team? I'm taking now Milan side from 88-90 for example, there are good amount of matches from serie available for watching so it would be good involve all available materials to get what better picture for the each player..
Both of course, I especially like to watch as much as I can from the last months leading into the final, in order to understand the dynamics of the team during that period. A team can change alot in 6 months, and as you guys might have noticed I give as much importance to the team dynamics and way of play, as I give to creating personal sets. You can watch vids of a player from random fragments of time, and you can still create a solid set for him (although you shouldn't be very abusive with the time period between these fragments), but you can't be like that with an entire team. To imitate a teams dynamics in PES you need to be very specific about the time period which you're trying to emulate the team. That's why I prefer watching full matches of a concise time period. But of course, set-wise, I give special importance to bigger matches. That's my phylosophy, If you're a player that constanly plays well against mid-table teams in your league, but when it comes to higher and stronger opposition in bigger matches such as European Cupp semi-finals or finals you suddenly disappear, then I'm sorry but you're not gonna be rated as high as some of the clubs fans might expect.
Btw, the battle between Milan 88-90 and Ajax 95 is real lol. This morning it was Milan leading, now it's Ajax again in the lead. Keep voting guys, I'll need a clear lead to choose one of the teams. (And now they're on par!