Mongolese Maradonas


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Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Albo7 » 2012 Apr 20, 14:32

So, we have decided to clean up the classic section from old sets, dubious sets, weird sets of obscure players that have been in here for 2-3 years, which nobody seem to care (not as if people in here usually care). So any Mongolese Maradonas in the classics are about to get deleted. Anyone finding such threads with such dubious sets, please post 'em here.

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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Korinov » 2012 Apr 20, 16:30

Fahad AL-GHESHEYAN -> object of the discussion, set looks like an almost world-class WF, in truth (according to Wikipedia) the guy couldn't even settle as a regular starter for the Saudi NT in his best years. Seems guesswork.

Majed ABDULLAH -> world class set (almost half the values are in high yellows), the funniest thing is that being a quite prolific goalscorer (at local and asian level) shooting values are actually modest compared to others.

Just compare them with another legendary saudi player, but more or less well rated by Julgi (Sami Al-Jaber). I don't really know Al-Jaber so I can't say if Julgi did a good job or not, but at least his set seems plausible.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Epsi » 2012 Apr 20, 17:40

Not properly Mongolese Maradonas, but inaccurate sets:
both GILARDINOs
ADRIANO can be replaced with jurgens' one
I doubt KALADZE was ever this good
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Korinov » 2012 Apr 20, 19:14

Epsi wrote:Not properly Mongolese Maradonas, but inaccurate sets:
both GILARDINOs
ADRIANO can be replaced with jurgens' one
I doubt KALADZE was ever this good


Let's just focus on the Mongolese Maradonas for now. I'll give a look to that jurgens' Adriano set though, current one in the DB needs some serious tweaks.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 22, 15:31

viewtopic.php?f=186&t=4579&hilit=pagliuca
viewtopic.php?f=186&t=7073&hilit=peruzzi

these have always really bothered me.. two of the best keepers italy has ever produced and there just random I'd say. really you only have to do 4 stats for a keeper, so assign something in the area of good-world class and people think its acceptable


viewtopic.php?f=186&t=4577

needs a review I'm sure. from evetime I seen inter in these years, he was an excellnt passer/shooter... all round tecnically gifted player,

viewtopic.php?f=186&t=8963

looks really off
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Korinov » 2012 Apr 26, 20:17

I'm no expert about keepers but at least Pagliuca seems heavily underrated. Didn't s-cobar make a set of him in the alt section already? We could do a simple copy/paste, really.

I don't know Djorkaeff much but yeah, from the little I remember of him (some matches with the NT in the Euro 2000 if I'm not mistaken) he was a quality passer, far better than that.

And Amunike's set is another Mongolese Maradona by the book. Guy was a joke at Barça.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Korinov » 2012 Apr 27, 18:05

Anyone knows this Stephen KESHI guy?

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World class CB according to those stats.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 27, 18:15

I know of him, very little though, but those stats aren't good regardless
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Korinov » 2012 May 05, 11:53

François OMAM-BIYIK.

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Not a MM, but almost... I mean I know this guy was good, but that good? Save for speed, the set roughly puts him at the same level of prime Eto'o.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Albo7 » 2012 May 05, 15:36

Deleted Al-Ghesheyan, Abdullah and Keshi.
Don't know what to do with Amunike and Omam-Biyik. I'm definetly pro deleting the sets, but I'd rather wait for further discussion on these chases.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby jurgens » 2012 May 05, 15:46

well I don't know shit about any of them and I don't care what you do with them tbh... it's too mcuh work finding out about these players
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby jurgens » 2012 Jun 09, 11:40

I'd really like to go through the 70's 60's sets and be able to apply "new standards" to them. As their is a tone of knowledge that went into many players.. but the idea behind rating them is either wrong or very outdated.. and usually it's a case of both. It's a shame to have so many sets essentially... just wrong. I mean can't use really any of them if you want some semblance of balance. As I don't know the players, I won't touch them.. but it'd be great if other mods more familar with them could.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Korinov » 2012 Jun 10, 21:21

I'll try to have a look, but... don't expect much outside of spanish players from me, and considering we have 14 pages of sets only in the 70s sections, I'm also sure there must be quite a bunch of spanish players there I don't know shit about.

And to be honest, there are so so so many sets that seem pure guesswork, like done after reading one or two articles about the player in question.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Brezza » 2012 Jun 21, 17:34

Just saw this and I love the term :lol: I agree with deleting most of Scotty Africa's stats especially the African players. No offence to them, I'm sure there maybe are some great unknown players out there but them but there is absolutely no way to find out any information about them let alone if the stats are right/wrong etc. With all respect to Scotty 'knowledge' I doubt he had any sort of clue when making stats.

Maybe the most high profile players that ive actually heard of from research when making the African all stars thread could be salvaged but that should be it.

I'll try to update older players to new standards, expect it to be a long process though. ATM i'm basically going through all the default classic teams in pes and konamizing them, starting with England.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Albo7 » 2012 Jul 28, 05:19

viewtopic.php?f=184&t=12797&p=104932#p104932

viewtopic.php?f=183&t=12971&p=107373#p107373

viewtopic.php?f=184&t=11479&p=89375#p89375

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viewtopic.php?f=180&t=11576&p=90027#p90027

viewtopic.php?f=180&t=11591&p=90208#p90208

I just want to delete all this shit. Not backed up at all. No info what-so-ever. All "fantastic" players. No one of 'em ever made it in Europe. Honestly, if no one disagrees I'd rather delete all of Scottys stuff that I consider as Mongolese Maradona. It'll be frustating having to post all the players in here, wait for reactions (most of which will be "I don't know") and then act. I seriously want to thin up the section from such sets. So once again if no one disagrees I'm about to clean the section from scottys shit for good.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby midnight » 2012 Jul 28, 10:19

i'm sorry guys but '' didn't made it in Europe '' isn't an argument at all, conserning Scotty's sets ,i'd say he doesn't know much of the players (due to the rareness of videos/full match about those ERAS) that's why i think that they are verry random and unaccurate. but i'm not with deleting the whole thread because of this cuz it would make PSD less versatil IMO,maybe accrediting it to some other competent member who are interrested in those players (like Fiddy in this case) would be a better solution.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby VUKDS » 2012 Jul 28, 12:05

Valeriano Lopez needs to stay here, he scored 207 goals in 199 matches... Also maybe few other players.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Albo7 » 2012 Jul 28, 12:14

midnight wrote:i'm sorry guys but '' didn't made it in Europe '' isn't an argument at all, conserning Scotty's sets ,i'd say he doesn't now much of the players (due to the rareness of videos/full match about those ERAS) that's why i think that they are verry random and unaccurate. but i'm not with deleting the whole thread because of this cuz it would make PSD less versatil IMO,maybe accrediting it to some other competent member who are interrested in those players (like Fiddy in this case) would be a better solution.


Making it in Europe or not does not concern me. What concerns me is that those sets are untouched and not discussed at all for 3 years now, and they could be starters at any top flight team. If a competent member has anything to say about 'em, he had 3 years to do it. If some new "competent" member comes and has more info about the players, he's welcome to post a new set. Right now, considering how things are, best solution is to delete the sets.

VUKDS wrote:Valeriano Lopez needs to stay here, he scored 207 goals in 199 matches... Also maybe few other players.


It's not the players themselves I consider the problem. It's that I have absolutely 0 trust in scottys sets.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby Korinov » 2012 Aug 03, 12:27

The problem with Scotty's sets is that he probably didn't watch any matches of these players (mostly because, I suppose, there isn't any kind of footage about them). So the stats are pure guesswork based on some articles. So, as important as those players may be in their respective countries, it doesn't matter, because the sets are useless.

And as it's been discused previously, it's not just Scotty's thing. We have tons of useless sets based on guesswork. But we have to start deleting somewhere.

So yeah, my vote goes to remove all those sets. Sorry for Valeriano López because he's a legend, but since his set is pure guesswork, it doesn't really depict him at all, thus we don't need it.
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Re: Mongolese Maradonas

Postby jurgens » 2012 Aug 19, 02:58

Scotty had 71 sets on PSD. I've deleted about 50 or so. Many of his sets that were from recent times (80's) didn't even have the foot right or number right, and these were recent. He was posting tones of sets in a really small window of time, these sets were as random as they come. I've been probably too generous and left many of his sets that others contributed to.. but the fact that all of them are so far out of any standard makes them as useless as they come.

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