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Pablo Ledesma

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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Vickingo » 2013 Sep 09, 14:44

I agree with giving him 1/1, is a total ghost, it's like play with 10 instead of 11.

@Paablito do you have any suggestion? We should update him asap.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby chamakh » 2013 Sep 09, 14:56

I HATE YOU LEDESMA.


This guy is a totally ghost , he never colaborate with the team and always walks on the court.

IMO he needs this set or similar .
Spoiler: show
TECHNIQUE
Attack: 68 (-6)
Defence: 60(-6)
Header Accuracy: 77
Dribble Accuracy: 76(-5)
Short Pass Accuracy: 76(-4)
Short Pass Speed: 72(-7)
Long Pass Accuracy: 74(-3)
Long Pass Speed: 72(-5)
Shot Accuracy: 67(-5)
Place Kicking: 68
Swerve: 70(-7)
Ball Control: 80(-2)
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
SPEED
Response: 75(-3)
Explosive Power: 67(-10)
Dribble Speed: 70(-4)
Top Speed: 70(-6)
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 75(-4)
Stamina: 76(-6)
Kicking Power: 78(-4)
Jump: 75(-3)
Injury Tolerance: B
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 1
Defence Awareness: 1
Form: 3
Tenacity: 65(-5)
Teamwork: 65(-10)


OLD STATS:
Acceleration: 70(-9)
Shot Technique: 68(-4)
Aggression: 60(-17)
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Malcolm X » 2013 Sep 09, 15:01

Catastrophe.. just lool at the first goal..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgO16M85q78

If this guy had the accurate stats.. no one would put in game

everything must be reduced.. totally overrated
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Paablito » 2013 Sep 09, 16:03

Vickingo wrote:@Paablito do you have any suggestion? We should update him asap.

Yesterday I cant' watch the match, but seem to keep playing the same way for last the comments.

chamakh wrote:IMO he needs this set or similar .
Spoiler: show
TECHNIQUE
Attack: 68 (-6)
Defence: 60(-6)
Header Accuracy: 77
Dribble Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 72
Long Pass Accuracy: 74
Long Pass Speed: 72
Shot Accuracy: 67
Place Kicking: 68
Swerve: 70
Ball Control: 80
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
SPEED
Response: 75
Explosive Power: 67
Dribble Speed: 70
Top Speed: 70
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 75
Stamina: 76
Kicking Power: 78
Jump: 75
Injury Tolerance: B
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 1
Defence Awareness: 1
Form: 3
Tenacity: 65
Teamwork: 65


OLD STATS:
Acceleration: 70
Shot Technique: 68
Aggression: 60


I like 68 in attack, he's playing like an amateur or an ex-player, always does "the oposite of the play say" never showed again the same level that showed in the last year, imo his value in defensive could be worse, something like 56-57 he can't do a single clean tackle, catched the ball by his resp but commits a lot of fouls and always finishes the game with a yellow card.

In his ratio passes, imo his sps is in the '60, damn it, fucking lazy player, also his lps could be 70/72, the other values sounds good for him.

His resp is decent, I like 75 for him. Isn't to harsh 67 in EP? I feel he can do good turns with/without the ball, not to deserve a green value, but more o less 71/72 like Santana or Ortigoza could be fine.
He showed better DS than TS, and imo 70 in TS fits for him

I like his physical stats, but I feel he has a better valuein his sta, imo 80 sta and 60 ten/ment could be fine.

About his header/DA/BC I have doubts to find a exact value, I like to listen more opinions here.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby lucashag » 2013 Sep 09, 16:14

he has scores some headers, i rather downgrade jump on that one, DA/BC are weid on him, he seems clever and elegant beside the bad performance, doubtius about that huge agg decrease, wouldn't that make to prone to stick to defensive positions?, if you want him to "dissapear of the game" a decent agg with a low TW works quit nice on some player, have my doubts if this is a case of it .
BTW, it's clear that he lost lots of his speed, and should probably play mostly on a CM/DM role clearly on the center(played good vs velez and like 30 minutes vs rafaela when he seem really confortable) instead of play a bit on the side as he has played in the last year when his lack of speed and movility are at the view of everybody
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby chamakh » 2013 Sep 09, 16:43

Paablito wrote:I like 68 in attack, he's playing like an amateur or an ex-player, always does "the oposite of the play say" never showed again the same level that showed in the last year, imo his value in defensive could be worse, something like 56-57 he can't do a single clean tackle, catched the ball by his resp but commits a lot of fouls and always finishes the game with a yellow card.

In his ratio passes, imo his sps is in the '60, damn it, fucking lazy player, also his lps could be 70/72, the other values sounds good for him.

His resp is decent, I like 75 for him. Isn't to harsh 67 in EP? I feel he can do good turns with/without the ball, not to deserve a green value, but more o less 71/72 like Santana or Ortigoza could be fine.
He showed better DS than TS, and imo 70 in TS fits for him

I like his physical stats, but I feel he has a better valuein his sta, imo 80 sta and 60 ten/ment could be fine.

About his header/DA/BC I have doubts to find a exact value, I like to listen more opinions here.

In the Agility :this guy is misleading because his twists may seem better but they are not, IMO the maximum value is that 70 in this aspect.

In the Stamina :this guy doesn´t run he always "walking on the court" and when he runs fast always gets tired. I think the value is good for him.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby chamakh » 2013 Sep 18, 17:25

Wow, I am very surprised with the performance of this guy in his last game.

vs Racing.

He plays in the MCD position. He really was a MCD, was responsible for "cutting" the play of the opponent and was responsible for passing the ball to Gago. Carlos Bianchi said Ledesma never again play as "8" because only play as a "5" (MCD).

Playing alongside Gago provides you with a lot of things and maximizes their "virtues" (If they even he has them).

Good match !
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby chamakh » 2013 Sep 30, 15:46

He did not play in another position more than MCD. Clearly this man is enhanced by the ability to Gago.

Good game, catching balls and distributing the game. Gago will solve many problems for this man, he should thank him that today still Titular in the team.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby lucashag » 2013 Oct 21, 03:53

the amount of passing option that he gave to the defenders was great, always free to be the first pass, and his movement and overall passing were pretty good today, i'll try to make a comp showing his movement of today
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Malcolm X » 2013 Oct 23, 02:25

Shockingly, he is playing magically.. improving every match and being the man of match for Boca

2 months ago I asked for a general reduction, and now I would ask quite opposite, but I wont, due to his unstable level

but if there's something to add, it would be SPA: 80 < 83
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Vickingo » 2013 Oct 23, 12:36

That's why we shouldn't update players just for form and every tournament.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Paablito » 2013 Oct 23, 14:06

Really you see he's playing good? He's playing as a distributor DMF, not as a destructor. Good mobility by the field, pushing the rivals to his box, like the old Somoza un Velez, but his passes continues be slow imo he cant' do strong passes and they're perimetral passes than anventorous passes, i.e he catch the ball and all it does is give it to Riquelme or the defense. Nothing special imo.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Oct 23, 14:08

His SPS is a shit.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby chamakh » 2013 Oct 23, 16:05

In the last games he didn´t play well, and it is evident that its level had risen due to the presence of Gago.

This player is too insignificant and lazy.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Nov 08, 15:41

Vs. San Lorenzo was "inconsequential", gave some good passes (specially one of three fingers to Erbes, in the first half) but not has presence in the field and lost all the divided balls.

chamakh wrote:This player is too insignificant and lazy.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Malcolm X » 2013 Nov 12, 16:48

The "Catastrophic" Ledesma again.. just ups n' downs.. Bianchi must look for a replacement
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Paablito » 2013 Nov 19, 02:22

Yesterday confirm that he can't do a single pass, he NEEDS someone like Gago or Riquelme to play near of him, if don't happen that, loses the ball easily, also his ds is shit, ignore my last post of I said his ds looks better than his ts, both sucks.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Nov 22, 16:31

I'm not agree with you, Pablo. The only "decent" of this guy is his SPA, in the rest is shit, specially not has presence to plays in the midfield.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Paablito » 2013 Nov 22, 17:51

But i'm not saying he has a poor spa, he hasn't sps that's the reason why he can't do a single pass, Riquelme/Gago/Erbes/Miño have to go near him to give it a pass.
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Re: Pablo Ledesma

Postby Paablito » 2013 Dec 14, 18:42

Well, he deserves a new set, his level all the year was awful, now is playing as DMF but not a real DMF, is more like a deep CMF, is strange. I supportive all we said, i'm thinking in more o less this

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Name: P. Ledesma
Shirtname: LEDESMA


Club: ?
Number: ?
Position: DMF*, CMF,
Nationality: Argentinian _arg
Age: 29 (xx-yy-1984)

Foot: R

Length: 178
Weight: 73


Attack: 67
Defence: 55
Balance: 77
Stamina: 78
Top Speed: 75
Acceleration: 73
Response: 76
Agility: 70
Dribble Accuracy: 77
Dribble Speed: 71
Short Pass Accuracy: 79
Short Pass Speed: 63
Long Pass Accuracy: 73
Long Pass Speed: 71
Shot Accuracy: 65
Shot Power: 75
Shot Technique: 60
Free Kick Accuracy: 55
Curling: 72
Header: 77
Jump: 77
Technique: 80
Aggression: 64
Mentality: 63
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 75

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5

RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 1
Defence Awareness: 2

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