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Steven Naismith

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Jul 21, 15:16

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Re: Steven NAISMITH

Postby Phil » 2012 Dec 25, 14:48

Defence should be below Pienaar. I'm pretty sure he's not this agile or quick on the ball too, though I don't have any concrete values as of yet.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Phil » 2013 Feb 11, 21:33

He is so mediocre, so many overrated stats judging from his time so far at Everton.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Vranny » 2013 Feb 12, 01:46

Cons:
He's slower in both TS and Acc. Should have worse agility, tech and DA (probably DS as well).

He doesn't have the engine that a stamina of 86 would suggest as well.

Pros:
He's surprising good in the air. Better than these stats would suggest anyway.

Good positioning in the box. He's made some decent runs beyond the oppositions defensive line as well, just a pity he's either been too slow to get on the end of through balls, or the final ball of his team mates has been too poor. Attack is well rated.

I can't fault he's effort either. He may not be the most tireless worker, but he puts in a shift, despite Moyes' attempts to continuously play him in a position he's not suited too.

Btw I'd remove *Side for him. He plays more like a wide AM when put on the right, so giving him *Side doesn't make any sense at all to me.

@Phil I feel like he's getting too much flack for Moyes' own failings imo. When we got him as a free I thought he was going to be used in the hole as a replacement for Cahill and to me it's very clear that this is the role that would suit him. But instead he's been used out wide (mostly due to lack of other options) and he's been woeful. It would have been like calling Cahill a shit player back in the day due to his lack of pace and technical skill, but that just wasn't his game.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Phil » 2013 Feb 12, 02:01

Yeah, pretty much my thoughts exactly. It's clear that Moyes has realised his aerial ability and he can often be seen peeling onto the fullback to win headers for knock-downs/flick-ons. He seems slower than Baines in both top speed and acceleration but not sure on exact values. Definitely should be lower in agility, dribble accuracy, technique, dribble speed. When does he actually show any speed on/off the ball? Shouldn't even be a on a yellow number. Just to throw some numbers to get the ball rolling:

HEA: 77
DA: 78
TECH: 77
AGI: 79
DS: 78
TS: 80
ACC: 79
STA: 82
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Vranny » 2013 Feb 12, 02:12

I haven't got any concrete numbers in my head for him, but those suggestions seem as good as any to start with.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Phil » 2013 Feb 12, 15:12

It's true that he is being played out of position, though I wouldn't really call it Moyes' fault. With the success of Fellaini in an advanced midfield role and our relative competency (or at least numbers) in the middle of the park, along with our lack of options on the wing, it was only logical to stick Naismith out wide (a la Osman in the past). Does seem to have decent attacking instincts, but that's about it, and he doesn't have the engine/determination of a Tim Cahill to constantly put those attacking instincts to use. I don't think I rate him as highly as you do, I see him merely as an average squad player. Would like to be proved wrong though.

I heard he was quick from a guy I knew who supported Rangers. Has he just lost all pace he had from injuries or something?
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Phil » 2013 Sep 06, 21:59

I think Naismith has perhaps been played out of position and generally has just been used to help out a bit defensively on the right when we're winning or Mirallas is tired. That said, I can't help but wince whenever his name comes up to be brought on. I've already explained a few changes before, but here's what I'd change.

Attach - 75 - He does have decent attacking intelligence in the box but his role in team doesn't allow him to show this. Plus his overall effectiveness in attacking situation is quite poor generally.
Head Accuracy - 78/79
Dribble Accuracy - 77/78
Technique - 77
Agility - 79
Top Speed - 80
Acceleration - 79
Dribble Speed - 78
Stamina - 82
Mentality - 77

Not sure on shooting, doesn't display it enough for me to judge him.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby BigStu » 2013 Sep 07, 08:37

ill sort out the updates
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Vranny » 2013 Sep 23, 15:00

This set's looking great now.

Just some nit-picking regarding his stats: I'd remove WF as a position and add AM instead. He tends to occupy more central positions when played further up the field and can often look like a wide AM rather than an SM when played wide. For those same reasons I'd also remove *Side.

I'd also give him Form: 6 as his stats are already fairly poor and he's definitely a case of being consistently shit, rather than having the odd off game :P
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Vranny » 2014 Apr 09, 03:23

I'll look to give him some updates at the end of the season. He's looking much more dangerous from central positions, much like I thought he would, and has really been linking up well.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby mr.Boss » 2015 Feb 18, 16:55

Don't you think that he should have even AMF as a position ? He plays there a lot ;)
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Its All Academic » 2015 Feb 20, 11:30

I have to agree with Mr. Boss, he does play AMF quite a lot. He's better than Barkley there too, which his stats wouldn't suggest. Maybe his passing accuracy could go up a little too, 75? His range of passing is much better this season.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Phil » 2015 Aug 10, 14:15

What do you do with a player who has a great knack of winning headers, but does not score too many? I'm thinking of bringing Naismith's heading up to around mid 80's, as it is pretty damn impressive how many headers Naismith wins when you consider he is not that tall and doesn't have a Cahill-esque leap. Naismith just has brilliant timing in the air and is extremely clever as he does what Cahill used to do, using his elbows a lot and nudging and backing in before jumping. Body balance could come up to 80 just for how good he is at holding off players too (even if he does at times go down to win a free kick), although it is partially down to his tenacity too. I'll watch another game or two, but I'm thinking of changing a few stats ATT: 78 BB: 80 HEA: 84 JUMP: 83 MEN: 83 DS: 78-80 and maybe higher passing, ball control and stamina
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby BigStu » 2015 Aug 10, 15:22

the low attack and his lack of height should take care of it, though that would mean not to raise it to 75, agree with the rest of the changes
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Ramindbroken » 2015 Sep 13, 01:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAaJ45SZdo8

Hat-trick against Chelsea, superb match by him.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Phil » 2015 Oct 31, 14:58

I've made a few changes, mostly what I've said before. Left attack as it is, he has pretty good RES/AGG/MEN which replicates him well for now.
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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby Welbeck19 » 2016 Jan 19, 16:55

Transfer to Norwich is official now. He'll wear no. 7

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Re: Steven Naismith

Postby VReznoV » 2016 Jan 20, 11:21

farewell :cry: good luck
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