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Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby PES Stats Database » 2018 Oct 26, 15:10

2019 Formation

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Attack ArrowsImage
Defence LevelsImage
Backline: A / High
Offside Trap: A / High
Pressure: A / High
Counter Attack: A / High
Strategies: CB Overlap (Both side CBs - overlap like SBs - Escobar will make runs in on goal looking to be played in or arrive late at far post), Opposite Side Attack [PES 6]

3-5-2
GK: Brad Guzan
RCB: Franco Escobar/Leandro González Pirez/Michael Parkhurst
CB: Miles Robinson
LCB: Leandro González Pirez/Florentin Pogba
DMF1: Eric Remedi/Jeff Larentowicz
DMF2: Darlington Nagbe
RWB: Julian Gressel
LWB: Justin Meram/Brek Shea
AMF: Ezequiel Barco/Emerson Hyndman/Héctor Villalba
SS: Gonzalo Martínez/Héctor Villalba
CF: Josef Martínez

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Attack ArrowsImage
Defence LevelsImage
Backline: A / High
Offside Trap: C / Low
Pressure: B / Medium
Counter Attack: A / High
Strategies: Right Side Attack, Opposite Side Attack, Counter Attack

4-2-3-1
GK: Brad Guzan
RCB: Miles Robinson/Michael Parkhurst
LCB: Leandro González Pirez/Florentin Pogba
RB: Franco Escobar/Julian Gressel
LB: Brek Shea/Florentin Pogba
DMF1: Eric Remedi/Jeff Larentowicz
DMF2: Darlington Nagbe
RMF: Julian Gressel/Ezequiel Barco
LMF: Justin Meram/Ezequiel Barco
AMF: Gonzalo Martínez
CF: Josef Martínez


Captain: Parkhurst (starts less since de Boer favours youth), Guzan (vice-Captain)
Short Free Kick: Pity / J. Martínez / Barco
Long Free Kick: Barco / Pity
Free Kick 2: Pity
Left Corner: Barco / Pity
Right Corner: Pity / Barco
Penalty: Pity / J. Martínez

Players to go up: Robinson

Past Seasons:
2018
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Attack ArrowsImage
Defence LevelsImage
Backline: A / High
Offside Trap: A / High
Pressure: A / High
Strategies: CB Overlap (Both side CBs), Opposite Side Attack [PES 6]

3-6-1
GK: Brad Guzan
RCB: Leandro González Pirez/Jeff Larentowicz/Franco Escobar
CB: Michael Parkhurst
LCB: Chris McCann/Leandro González Pirez
DMF: Jeff Larentowicz/Eric Remedi
CMF: Darlington Nagbe/Kevin Kratz
RWB: Julian Gressel
LWB: Greg Garza*/Chris McCann
AMF: Miguel Almirón
AMF#2: Héctor Villalba/Ezequiel Barco
CF: Josef Martínez

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Image
Attack ArrowsImage
Defence LevelsImage
Backline: A / High
Offside Trap: B / Medium
Pressure: B / Medium
Strategies: Opposite Side Attack [PES 6]

4-5-1
GK: Brad Guzan
RCB: Michael Parkhurst/Jeff Larentowicz
LCB: Leandro González Pirez
RB: Julian Gressel/Franco Escobar
LB: Chris McCann/Greg Garza*
DMF: Jeff Larentowicz/Eric Remedi
DMF/CMF: Eric Remedi/Julian Gressel/Kevin Kratz
RMF: Héctor Villalba/Julian Gressel
LMF: Ezequiel Barco/Héctor Villalba
AMF: Miguel Almirón/Julian Gressel
CF: Josef Martínez

Captain: Parkhurst
Short Free Kick: Kratz / Larentowicz /Martínez
Long Free Kick: Almirón
Free Kick 2: Larentowicz (gets setup to smash hammers from distance)
Left Corner: Almirón / Barco **
Right Corner: Almirón / Barco **
Penalty: Almirón / Martínez

Players to go up: Pirez, McCann, (Sometimes Larentowicz)

* Long term Injury
** Frequently Almiron-Barco/someone play short 1-2's to make a new angle, dribble into the box, or try to set-up McCann/Larentowicz at edge of box with a 1st-time volley shot - since Atlanta lack aerial power - they maybe 1/4 times actually take a traditional corner.

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Re: Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby Oriello » 2018 Oct 26, 15:28

The AMF#2 role - its just a free attacker role, gets to float free engaging wherever on the field. I opted to have this as a midfield position as when Barco plays he likes to drop sometimes below halfway line when most of the team is on opposition half so that he can get the ball and make connections from deeper. Similar Villalba, he creates less this way and is more ready for a counter to be sprung, but in defensive phase he will be more active than you would expect a forward and he will be making tackles outside his own box for the ball. Less often in the box waiting for crosses, more so moving at the edges of the box looking for 1-2's.

Amliron has similar license to roam, but he tends to do so more from a deeper set position and more often remains at half way line in possession to receive the ball and dribble it up the park.

the left and right CBs almost SBs, aggressive up the field, with no focus on crossing but just pinning opponents back and cycling possession and winning the ball early and often if possession is lost.

There are sometimes slight variations the theme of these two main formations, looking more like 4-3-3 or 3-4-3, but otherwise it was mostly a 4-5-1 last season with a SS/fake forward in Villalba/Almiron when Martinez was injured, less often the 3-5-2/3-6-1, this season the 3-6-1 was the starting formation early on, allowing them to both camp inside opponents half most of the match and counter at great speed when opponents managed to think they finally got out and had a chance to score. Main issue was they are vulnerable to counters themselves and less and less Tata Martino played this away from home, the 4-5-1 became more the default and was mostly just meant for counter attacking (as home sides actually had to attack, rather than away to Atlanta almost everyone just turtled up).
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Re: Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby Oriello » 2019 Mar 01, 03:01

.......................Guzan
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......Robinson(n)...Parkhurst(h)...Pirez(n)
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Gressel(h)......Remedi(l).................Shea(h)
.....|\........................................../|
.............................Nagbe(l)-
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............-Barco(l)-
.................................Pity(n)
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..................Martinez(n)


....gk

cb cb cb

lwb dmf rwb
....dmf

..amf
.......lmf/wf

.....cf


Martinez not as high as last season

switch sides

both advanced players behind MARTINEZ play together, support each other on either wing, shift over

left smf/wf is higher than other postion, clearly fake AMF is in mid
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Re: Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby Vickingo » 2019 Mar 01, 03:06

Could you tell me how my beloved little Barco is doing this season? Couldn't watch him that much and it was very disappoiting watching him benched in the last part of Martino's era :cry:
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Re: Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby Oriello » 2019 Mar 01, 04:20

They've only played two matches, the two legs vs Herediano in CCL. MLS starts this weekend. So there is no big impression I can give right now, only that he is a starter under Frank de Boer.

In first leg they were a very static 3-4-3 with Barco RWF/SS kinda role, he could dribble well with the ball and hold onto it evading opponents, but Atlanta were too static and there were no runners for him to release the ball to, and he just lost possession under too many opponents. He did not have a good match - the whole team was set up wrong and played without energy. Dont know why Robinson a young CB was in the center of defence (maybe since he is tall??).

They fixed themselves tonight, first 20 mins far more energy, dynamism - and overwhelmed Herediano. Parkhurst to center of defence is the better focal organizer and have Robinson wide CB. The "wingers" were less wingers and more in midfield and supported eachother rather than attempting width and one always was the deeper - helped their structure.

Barco had a really nice match along with Pity. Barco was impressing me with his TS I thought it mid 80s, he hounded for the ball and finally looked worthy of Stamina value - last season when he did start Tata kept subbing him off, sometimes it seemed he faded, either through energy problems or psychologically losing focus. Tonight was sprinting late in the match. He shot really high/missed and easy chance to make it 5-0. Had a nice distribution of LPA from ball over the top from left wing. Also assisted G. Pirez on his goal with a nice delivery.

Maybe Tata was trying to slowly integrate him into the team last season, why he got so little time, and to me he did not always perform, effort and running was there (he always trying passes/dribbles/neat things) just there was a lack of product. So it made sense Tata fell back to players he could depend a bit more. Maybe since Frank de Boer is dutch he likes that youth thing haha, Villalba is now the sub man.

Atlanta have another youngster Andrew Carleton (18 year old), who when I seen him play always impressed me, and really he should get minutes if Barco falls back into slumps like last season, Carleton for me should get a shout - if he can get ahead of Villalba - also that kid is a Atlanta native. I think competition for a starting spot should be maintained, so that Barco does not get complacent that his price tag means he is an auto starter (he had a huge ego last season and was petulant when being subbed off, needed some humility/character building). That was a problem in TFC with Giovinco - he could do no wrong and always played if fit/not suspended - when really resting him and making him angry about being on the bench might get more out of him when he hits a slump.
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Re: Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby Oriello » 2019 May 07, 03:20

pcrooce wrote:isn’t De Boer is fucking up Atlanta?


Atlanta had problems in my eyes even under Tata, but he did really well with a team that was created only in 2017, so them being an incomplete team was fine for basically a newborn side. Their best has always been when they counter attack, and Almiron was the main reason - the bonus was that he and Martinez made a really good bond in those two years. Tata tried to morph the team into a more possession based team in 2018 - really seemed like they were copying TFC's 3-5-2 formation/tactics (many MLS sides experimented with it after TFC 2017 all conquering season, seemed like Vanney watched Conte's/Allegri' Juve and imported the general idea), anyways the matches that Atlanta were winning by large margins on paper were more them pumping up the scoreline as opponents tried to find an equalizer. Often though if a team scored first, Atlanta lost or drew the match. More and more sides, just bunkered up vs Atlanta, it was found out, their counter was their best thing, and they were dull breaking down dug in opposition, despite their 3-6-1 formation where even the wide center backs would be making overlapping runs like pseudo wide backs, it was just too congested too often.

Atlanta were slumping a little last season towards the end of the season after the summer, and eventually Red Bulls managed to win the regular season (after Atlanta lost at TFC - this match showed all of their problems), it was after this that Tata realized the team was too limited and could not command a match from beginning to end AND get a win (they were great at retaining possession, just stymied too often). Tata reverted to the one-dimension that they excelled at, defend deep in a block, and just release Almiron/Martinez on counters (the two did not even need to score/create, them just making runs vs a highline in tandem scared the teams during the playoffs, enough to risk card worthy fouls or simply be unable to keep up if caught up high up the pitch).


de Boer came in and tried to impart a new variant on the team, move it away from the one-note that they were great at before - and probably could never replicate again without Almiron's particular speed/dribble speed blend. His 3-4-3 was too open, and continually got ripped up and Barco/Pity did not function well at all in that system as wide AMFs/fake wingers - de Boer stuck with that idea for too long and tried to give the players a chance to grow into it.

de Boer though was right when he did say Atlanta fans are a spoiled bunch - for such a new team to have been successful is very rare - and their expectations are too high to think that its possible to just stay at that upper level.

Recently, maybe 3-4 games ago they switched to a more conventional 4-2-3-1, Barco and Pity have their more favoured/natural positions, and they've won 3 of the 4 matches (loss at home to Dallas who was playing a bunch of homegrown youths - who are having a very interesting season), the win vs SKC was the most dominant performance, the other wins since the switch were more laboured.

So he may be slowly turning things around, and the team may reach something more appropriate for the squad they have (one of the best and expensive in the league, think Pity/Barco are the #1 & #2 most expensive signings in MLS history)...I still don't quite understand why Parkhurst is SB now..but hes worked with the team, tinkering little things players are doing/spaces they occupy and run into, after being too stubborn earlier on, trying to make some dutch fantasy system work (this is not Ajax in Eriedivise). Its been a messy start to the marriage, maybe it will come good though - just a shame CCL starts before domestic season, maybe in a month this Atlanta team will be more cohesive and a more worthy adversary to Monterrey.


You mentioned Pity fixed a lot of issues at River Plate, maybe he was understood more by the managers there? I am not sure de Boer knows Pity fully, at least how he has used him. Maybe given more time as that #10 he can find a groove and turn it on in the league?


To me Pity just seems too desperate to make a mark, maybe because of the price tag, but really for me he should be more laid back (maybe that is against his style), he tries to force every thing, just calm your tits and cycle possession sometimes, let opponents worry about the other dangerous players Atlanta field, then better openings will come - just been too eager to make or shoot as soon as he gets possession, and often he just throws away possession...seems reluctant to make ground passes, that Josef Martinez makes runs for, too many high balls over the top that go out of play - less dribbling, more cycling and simple stuff, and let the magic be more sparse, otherwise he is just drawing markers like magnets.
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Re: Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby Oriello » 2019 Oct 30, 22:35

Updated formation.

They fiddled with a more pure 3-4-3 at start of season and a "dutch" 4-3-3 and in both instances Barco and Pity were played as wingers - team also had no idea what de Boer wanted - there was no midfield runners and the defensive shape was unclear. By mid season they went back to basics and used an orthodox 4-2-3-1 and the results slowly started to turn their way (they were at or near bottom of table early on), it was a pragmatic approach often, but de Boer played Parkhurst at SB or wide CB - when his pace has been gone for a few seasons, and Gressel was used more central as another playmaker, which really cramped his natural style - he can make a through ball BUT all those low/high early crosses that unlocked teams before they could set up was lost from the teams options. Eventually they settled into the above formation/style ... which is basically what Tata had them playing a year ago .. so with de Boer it took 6 months to go full circle and end up where you were before he came :lol: .

Nagbe has settled into a more permanent deeper role/less involvement into attack (though when he does get up and combine it can be pretty decisive), Escobar has taken over more as the overlapping defender from Gonzalo Pirez of last season. Barco comes deep often to help bring the ball up, also goes wide left often and dribbles in laterally and then diagonal on goal - his DS makes him very dangerous to run around unchecked as he can open up a team, sometimes swaps sides with Pity. Barco and Hyndman seem to get an equal split of minutes. Pity been given a more free role sort of an SS that sometimes drops deeper but also plays the line around Josef Martinez and looks to play in others - its been a bad season for him, long painful adjustment period where he was looking like a flop for a good chunk - forcing too much - but maybe understands what de Boer wants now better - since his play/contribution has improved in late summer.

Robinson, de Boer stuck with him all season, after a shaky start he did not give in, and there was a speck of talent there before - he has grown immensely over the season - aside from the terrible own goal has turned into a pillar at the back and really Atlanta are not worse off with Parkhurst benched due to ageism ... though think Robinson is out injured and Parkhurst will be back being mis-played out wide and Gonzalez Pires (hello yellows) in the centre.
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Re: Atlanta United FC - Formation & Tactics / Team Discussion Thread

Postby Oriello » 2019 Nov 15, 12:51

Added alternate 4-2-3-1 formation.

Decided to add it since de Boer for some reason decided to go back to it in playoffs - I thought they were done with it - especially vs TFC this made less sense since with that formation yes they turned their season around, but it was still a grind with lots counter attacking. The 3-5-2 at home often gave them good amounts of possession, width and chances, things that would have unlocked TFC. Its not like TFC have pace to counter. Robinson was out injured but still a Pogba-Pirez-Escobar backline had been used before heck even playing Parkhurst (who was coming back from injury) in centre letting him handle Pozuelo's false nine movements (and he ended up having a poor showing like most of TFC) wouLd have been better than the back 4 vs a jumbly/rotating 2 players and one 1 roaming/deep SS.

Pogba starting at LB I guess was because Brek Shea was injured(?)(and shit when he did play), but Pogba is poor in that fullback role - wide CB of a back 3 he can do, overlaps and support from a back 4 less so. Mikey Ambrose really should have started.

Barco I think would normally be LMF, but his season was interrupted too much and Meram played more often that spot, through Barco started the playoff games.

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