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Juan Mercier

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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Scaramuso » 2015 Jul 22, 13:13

Scaramuso wrote:What about these tweaks here?

Header Accuracy 75 (-2)
Long Pass Accuracy/Speed: 84/2 (+2)
Response 86 (+2)
Explosive Power: 72 (-1)
Dribble Speed: 70 (-2)
Top Speed: 76 (-1)
Stamina 84 (-1)
Jump 80 (+2)
Aggression: 70 (-1)
Form 6 (-1)

Covering, Marking, Centre?, Outisde, 1 touch-pass.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Vickingo » 2015 Jul 23, 13:28

He doesn't need to be more inflated than this, hes by far the best argentinian dmf in the db aside Mascherano and he's not even the half nowadays, specially considering he has a world class condition which makes him play godly every match in the game. Just look at his stats, are just crazy.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Paablito » 2015 Aug 07, 02:27

Vickingo wrote:He doesn't need to be more inflated than this, hes by far the best argentinian dmf in the db aside Mascherano and he's not even the half nowadays, specially considering he has a world class condition which makes him play godly every match in the game. Just look at his stats, are just crazy.

i was come to post exactly the same, in game is literally a wall - no matter about what player has the ball, mercier recovers it without any complication - and also in attack he doesn't develops too good to deserve 69 and his passes are something to keep on mind to decrease because he has some vision here and there but not to constant to have exactly the same values as mascherano has, have not comparison. Doesn't surprised if he has a downgrade in att/spa/sps/sa/sta and probably in form and tw.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Scaramuso » 2015 Aug 07, 12:30

Mi suggestions are all decreases excepting in response and long passes, that were spoke in the past but never was fixed. Also he deserves the stars, or not?

I can't believe that's doesn't have Covering.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Scaramuso » 2015 Aug 10, 16:27

Paablito wrote:sta and probably in form


Scaramuso wrote:What about these tweaks here?

Header Accuracy 75 (-2)
Long Pass Accuracy/Speed: 84/2 (+2)
Response 86 (+2)
Explosive Power: 72 (-1)
Dribble Speed: 70 (-2)
Top Speed: 76 (-1)
Stamina 84 (-1)
Jump 80 (+2)
Aggression: 70 (-1)
Form 6 (-1)

Covering, Marking, Centre?, Outisde, 1 touch-pass.


Maybe Form 5 with the new Ladders? and why SA? about passing there are examples <<.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Paablito » 2015 Aug 10, 21:08

he doesnt need -1 here and there, he needs more tweaks inthe set, c'mon dude, just look the set of mascherano, the best dmf in the world imo and then look this set. This is unreal from what is capable of do mercier in the pitch and if i will do those changes the db be more and more unbalanced. Better passer than masche? no way, just one point less in resp and much more aggressive than him? :lol:
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby lucashag » 2015 Sep 13, 19:00

Paablito wrote: just look the set of mascherano, the best dmf in the world imo and then look this set.


Mercier vs Mascherano

ATT 69/64 +5 Mercier
DEF 76/85 +9 Mascherano
BB 84/82 +2 Mercier
STA 85/86 +1 Mascherano
TS 77/83 +6 Mascherano
ACC 72/81 +9 Mascherano
RES 84/87 +3 Mascherano
AGI 73/78 +5 Mascherano
DA 76/77 +1 Mascherano
DS 72/80 +8 Mascherano
SPA 82/80 +2 Mercier
SPS 85/82 +3 Mercier
LPA 82/83 +1 Mascherano
LPS 80/84 +4 Mascherano
SA 73/68 +5 Mascherano
SP 83/80 +3 Mascherano
ST 70/72 +2 Mascherano
FKA 60/68 +8 Mascherano
SWE 68/70 +2 Mascherano
HEA 77/76 +1 Mercier
JUMP 78/83 +5 Mascherano
BC 79/81 +2 Mascherano
AGG 71/64 +7 Mercier
MENT 85/93 +8 Mascherano
KS 50 /50 :P
TW 84/85 +1 Mascherano
FORM 7/8 +1 Mascherano

He is basically overshadowed by mascherano at pretty much every key stat a DM has, but mercier is a better attacking threat which i personally believe it's true based on like a year ago when i watched him more often, now i rarely watch SL matches so i can't say.

Paablito wrote: just one point less in resp and much more aggressive than him? :lol:

I can't say much on res, i thought mercier fluctuated between 84/5 at the 2014 CL, but c'mon man, masche is little to nothing in AGG, seriously mercier proved to be a respectable attacker for a DM, can't say the same about masche.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Paablito » 2015 Sep 13, 23:31

but that is what i said, i find pretty fine the "key values" to be a great dmf, just i said soemthing about his passes, form and couple of little tweaks but I don't criticize the set, i criticize the way of how we rate here the players, we (victor and i) dont increase and decrease stats every two months and we dont wanna op him, i like the set but im not agree with increase more his stats, he doesnt need it.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Scaramuso » 2015 Sep 23, 14:08

He's got this set because he was in a sick level more than 2 years.. even he showed better response and stamina lot of times.

About passing, has a point less than Kranevitter in SPA, I can't remember Kranne giving a goal/killer pass like Pichi can give.

I'm agree he needs a decrease, he's becoming worse for obvious reasons (age), he's still great but not brillant like in 2013/4.

What about this?

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Attack: 67 (-2)
Defence: 76
Header Accuracy: 75 (-2)
Dribble Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Accuracy: 82
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 82
Long Pass Speed: 80
Shot Accuracy: 70 (-3)
Place Kicking: 60
Swerve: 68
Ball Control: 79
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
SPEED
Response: 84
Explosive Power: 72 (-1)
Dribble Speed: 70 (-2)
Top Speed: 76 (-1)
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 84
Stamina: 83/4 (-1/2) - he still covers a insane amount of meters in the pitch during the 90'
Kicking Power: 83
Jump: 78
Injury Tolerance: A
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 2
Defence Awareness: 3
Form: 5 (-2)
Tenacity: 85
Teamwork: 84

P11 - Enforcer
S01 - 1-Touch Play
S02 - Outside Curve
S24 - Lunging Tackle

OLD STATS:
Acceleration: 70 (-2)
Shot Technique: 70
Aggression: 68 (-3)

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Covering
★ Marking
★ Outside
★ Sliding
★ 1 touch-pass


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Re: Juan Mercier

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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby chamakh » 2015 Dec 24, 16:30

So, what about decrease some high stats debated before like:
Att: It must drop to mid-low 60
Header: 75
SPA: At same level than Mascherano, even idk why he does have a better value than Ortigoza taking into account he's a pure DMF and Ortigoza it's the offensive-minded midfielder. Something weird and ironic if you ask me. :lol:
Agility: Imo hes 70 in there, he's got being unagile than this during current year.
Stamina: 83 as top, he's not mid yellow stamina anymore in my opinion. He doesnt run around the whole midfield to steal balls as before.
Form: Should drop to 6 even 5 on my eyes.
Aggression: Mid 60 as top but if somebody might argue why he could still deserve this value yet, i'd very appreciate that.

and we needs to review their shooting skills, is he really that good to be an AFA DMF? I mean, i cannot even remember how much goals he scored during last 4 years. Ive just remember a couple of goals in a row but looong time ago.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby lucashag » 2015 Dec 30, 03:14

chamakh wrote:So, what about decrease some high stats debated before like:
Att: It must drop to mid-low 60


Good eye passer and solid vision for a DM, don't see anything wrog with the current numbers, considering that he has DEF awarness higher than ATT current number it's fine.

Header: 75


Care to explain why, he ain't no dummy in the air and never was, can't see why should be downgraded.

chamakh wrote:SPA: At same level than Mascherano, even idk why he does have a better value than Ortigoza taking into account he's a pure DMF and Ortigoza it's the offensive-minded midfielder. Something weird and ironic if you ask me. :lol:


He is clearly a better passer tha mascherano is, more often tries through balls and force the ball in the opposite half better with his passing range, and don't see why the been more offensive means anything regardless passing accuracy, ortigoza is in cotinuous movement offensively cause of his role but i'm only impressed by his long range and chipped passses, his grounded ones aren't a big deal for him.

Agree on knocking down agility.

chamakh wrote:Stamina: 83 as top, he's not mid yellow stamina anymore in my opinion. He doesnt run around the whole midfield to steal balls as before.


He just doesn't needs to run as much as before which is a big difference between his roles with bauza and the previous coaches, there's no need cause the sidebacks and the rest of the midfield are covering a ton of ground aswell which makes his job more about timing and positioning than running like a dumbass to breakup plays, it's a tactical display rather than a defect of mercier.

chamakh wrote:.
Aggression: Mid 60 as top but if somebody might argue why he could still deserve this value yet, i'd very appreciate that.


He needs it, whatever he anticipates in the opposite half he is very capable of playing one two's and takes part offensively, current number doesn't makes him act much different than now.
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and we needs to review their shooting skills, is he really that good to be an AFA DMF? I mean, i cannot even remember how much goals he scored during last 4 years. Ive just remember a couple of goals in a row but looong time ago.


Since people just loves to bring mascherano in this thread i'm gonna bring him too, mascherano hasn't scored since he came to barcelona, that's like five years right? cause he doesn't shoot a lot and his role doesn't allow him to, but when he shots he can bring it, he almost scored a nice log range shot with his left foot vs las palmas. Mercier it's a similar case, and he always has been a better shooter than mascherano has pulled of nice volley and long ranged shots with solid accuracy

I do find funny that since the world cup, only for argentine people mascherano is the mold of the perfect DM, even some retards think he is a top 5 CB in the world :lol: :lol: , and it seems that noone can be better at anything than him, i sincerelly want to think that this shitty behaviour doesn't translate to PSD AFA and the way we rate here because of it.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby chamakh » 2015 Dec 30, 03:38

To be honest, I've just talked about Mascherano 'cause he was mentioned as example before. :lol:
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Scaramuso » 2016 Mar 07, 14:03

He's not half of who was some time ago.. had a very bad preseason and looks bad physically. This is more notorious in Guede's tactics, with only a defensive DMF with a lot of space to cover.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby chapiTa » 2016 Apr 27, 00:16

he play so good against Huracan, excelent covering and cut a lot of passes, the Mercier-Ortigoza combination never must be broken, giant mistake of Guede imo
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Scaramuso » 2016 Apr 27, 12:23

Yeah he was MOTM and played crazy, looked as his prime.. his level is raising every match, also he looks pretty fast. Hard work for Guede choose betweem him and Mussis now.

https://youtu.be/BYkx6mLhjV4?t=7417

Can I suggest some tweaks here? deserves some decreases.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby chapiTa » 2016 May 01, 23:43

Another great match against Independiente, it's necessary the CMF?, i never see him in that position, he only play a few games like a CB
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Ramindbroken » 2016 May 30, 20:53

I really don't see how his SPA/SPS can be higher than Ortigoza's.
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Re: Juan Mercier

Postby Scaramuso » 2016 Jun 16, 12:56

What about this here? His last tournament was great but anyway he deserves some decreases, specially in his form.

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Attack: 67 (-2)
Defence: 76
Header Accuracy: 75 (-2)
Dribble Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Accuracy: 82
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 82
Long Pass Speed: 80
Shot Accuracy: 70 (-3) he's not shooting so often as before
Place Kicking: 60
Swerve: 68
Ball Control: 79
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
SPEED
Response: 83 (-1)
Explosive Power: 71 (-2)
Dribble Speed: 70 (-2)
Top Speed: 75 (-2)
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 83 (-1)
Stamina: 83 (-2)
Kicking Power: 82 (-1)
Jump: 75 (-3)
Injury Tolerance: A
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 2
Defence Awareness: 3
Form: 5 (-2)
Tenacity: 85
Teamwork: 82 (-2)

P11 - Enforcer
S01 - 1-Touch Play
S02 - Outside Curve
S24 - Lunging Tackle

OLD STATS:
Acceleration: 70 (-2)
Shot Technique: 70
Aggression: 68 (-3)

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Sliding
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside
★ Covering


Ramindbroken wrote:I really don't see how his SPA/SPS can be higher than Ortigoza's.


SPS is better for sure, Pichi has a great pace there. And taking about spa he's a hell of passer, he's got a lot of assists being DMF and always is making great passes between the lines.
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Re: Juan Mercier

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